Holy's Garden (Part 2)

[minitiger]

Dude… Don’t even get me started on Tom-fucking-Hill haha. That guy is a straight-up moron. Like, he’s a legitimately stupid person. Shockingly dumb.

I had to quit following that “Addicted to Haze” thread here on OG a while back because he showed up and started posting and I was just like,”What? This guy is a famous ‘breeder’? Why? Never mind that the things he’s saying about his ‘breeding’ practices make no sense; he can’t even type a coherent fucking sentence.”

Holy was there haha, he saw the few posts I wrote before I bounced. It really was like that scene in Billy Madison, with the,”We are all dumber after listening to what you just said.” Or whatever that line was haha.

That guy’s an idiot.

Anyway… Sorry. What were we talking about again? Haha…

[LonelyOC]

Finally someone who is telling the truth about Bodhi and doesn’t follow the herd with “Oh, he’s epic bro, he only releases fire. Fire in fire out!”. But from my personal experience through the years is that he’s not special, he’s just one of our current seed producer like everybody else in the business. Some shit is dope, others are questionable.

What got me to actually react is when he said that when you grow out landraces from the Hindu Kush region, you won’t find plants with “Kush” terps, instead according to him. Those terps can be found in iran/irak weed.

Well, I for once are one of those weirdos who have grown a lot of different landraces and what he is saying isn’t remotely true. Both the Chem and Kush terps are widely found in both Pakistani and Afghani highland and lowland cultivars.

That makes me wonder how much of it is sales talk, covered by a mask of “I’m a nice guy, just trust me”?

Pz

[HolyAngel]

@minitiger

BUT… You did find one you really loved, right? That’s what it’s all about, isn’t it??? Haha

Yeah I got my nerve pain meds covered with her at least. Honestly though, and this is gonna sound bad but, if I wasn’t in any pain at all I probably wouldn’t have kept her this long. She’s up there in potency with the elites i’ve grown, with a unique flavor and a good functional high on her that lasts plus the medical benefits. I do like her better than the other 100 or so I’ve seen but, if I’m not in pain i just don’t ever reach for that jar, ya know? Unless I don’t have much variety left or something. She’s much more, “oh i’m hurting a bit today, let me smoke some SSDD”, than it is something that I just crave to smoke constantly, like the Vitamin TK is She’s much more medicine to me than something I just wanna smoke all the time.

[syzygy]

@HolyAngel

I do like her better than the other 100 or so I’ve seen but, if I’m not in pain i just don’t ever reach for that jar, ya know?

That’s how I reacted to my bubbashine pheno minus the pain comment since I’m not in pain… Good potency, extremely frosty buds and all that but I just never reached for the jar.

Makes you wonder about all the people hyped for SSDD fgens & the highly anticipated (ha) bubbashine F2s that are going to be sold shortly. SSDD / Bubbashine - the Bodhi communities favorite strain that they have not actually grown.

Not to say there aren’t nice plants or phenos that work medicinally for people; that’s obvious with your & HB cut. There’s a good amount of trash too though. I know I wont be disappointed with my 4 seedlings because I have zero expectations after last run.

[HolyAngel]

@GrowTheAtlas

I think Tom Hill said you have to run 100 packs to find a good Tom Hill’s haze. Which is just…what the fuck lol

I think he said 100 beans, not packs, but yeah
Dude said himself he’s been working the line since he got it 30 something years ago and it’s no better at putting out the special ones than the day he got it, like…

has he been doing this whole time!

@LonelyOC

Finally someone who is telling the truth about Bodhi and doesn’t follow the herd with “Oh, he’s epic bro, he only releases fire. Fire in fire out!”. But from my personal experience through the years is that he’s not special, he’s just one of our current seed producer like everybody else in the business. Some shit is dope, others are questionable.

Yeah I’m not finding anything to be of higher quality or something compared to other’s gear, depending on the other. I’ve found plenty of herms and poor plants. Found some bangers too. Seems to be on-par. The price is good though, not that I’ve bought a ton of bodhi stuff, most of it in the stash is f2’s But I almost prefer to look at the F2’s, especially bodhi’s.

@LonelyOC

What got me to actually react is when he said that when you grow out landraces from the Hindu Kush region, you won’t find plants with “Kush” terps, instead according to him. Those terps can be found in iran/irak weed.

Bodhi said that? I could definitely see Tom Hill saying that

@syzygy

Makes you wonder about all the people hyped for SSDD fgens & the highly anticipated (ha) bubbashine F2s that are going to be sold shortly. SSDD / Bubbashine - the Bodhi communities favorite strain that they have not actually grown.

Exactly. The pain med plants in the line seem fairly easy to find but the really good one’s are kinda rare. I think HB is on his second cut now? Maybe it’s the same one I still prefer mine to the first one he’s had but he’s been going through SSDD’s for a few years now too.

[LonelyOC]

@HolyAngel

But I almost prefer to look at the F2’s, especially bodhi’s.

I prefer F2s in general The killer males are always found in F2s.

Here is The Potcast where he talks about his Nepali OG and this theory of OG Kush being Iranian.

Episode 10 - Bodhi of Bodhi Seeds / Nierika / Supernatural Selections - 01/07/17

Another fun fact that Nspecta said was that “The Chemist”, the breeder who worked X-18, Death Cabbage and Pine Tar Kush. Is Tom’s father and that the only line that’s Tom’s own work is the THH. For me that make sense since he got so much pride about that haze line. Is he standing in the shadow of his father’s work?

Pz

[minitiger]

I love Bodhi’s stuff and it has nothing to do with “the herd.” But I’m also capable of picking and choosing what I wanna grow based on the genetics of the hybrids he makes. Would I grow an Oreoz cross? Fuck no. But I do like that he works (worked? I dunno what he’s been up to the past couple years, quit paying attention after I bought a second fridge for all my seeds haha) his males and stuff.

I trust his gear. Or rather, I trust the seeds of his that I have in the fridge.

@LonelyOC

That makes me wonder how much of it is sales talk, covered by a mask of “I’m a nice guy, just trust me”?

I’ve only listened to one podcast of his (and only three podcasts ever), but I didn’t get the impression that he was a huckster. I did think,”Oh, he’s one of those people who just wants to be ‘positive’ all the time and not say anything bad about anything ever,” but I do think he genuinely cares (or cared? Again, I haven’t been paying attention in a whiiiiiile) about the seeds he makes. I think he gives a shit.

@HolyAngel

but, if I’m not in pain i just don’t ever reach for that jar, ya know?

I understand haha.

@HolyAngel

She’s much more medicine to me than something I just wanna smoke all the time.

Right. Do you ever mix the two? Like a little TK/SSDD combo joint or bowl or whatever?

@syzygy

Makes you wonder about all the people hyped for SSDD fgens & the highly anticipated (ha) bubbashine F2s that are going to be sold shortly. SSDD / Bubbashine

What’s this now? What’s going on? Clue me in, I wanna be in on this joke haha.

@HolyAngel

I think he said 100 beans, not packs, but yeah

Yeah, he said a hundred seeds and maybe you’ll find five good plants. Just mind-boggingly asinine.

Who was the other dipshit on that thread who, when I asked,”Why don’t you just take the best females and males from each generation and breed with those, instead of doing open pollinations every time?” said,”No, that’s bad breeding practices,” or something equally inane? I can’t remember right now, but I definitely recognized their screen name, seen it all over the place when I was researching stuff.

@HolyAngel

Bodhi said that? I could definitely see Tom Hill saying that

Haha… This is why I’m just not paying attention anymore. I reeeeallllyyyyy don’t care what any of them have to say about anything. I don’t want to know. I have the seeds and I’ll figure it out myself. I looked at what the genetics were and thought,”Okay, yeah, that sounds like it has potential,” and that’s it.

As far as what they’re like as human beings… I’d rather not know haha.

[syzygy]

@minitiger

What’s this now? What’s going on? Clue me in, I wanna be in on this joke haha.

It’s not really a joke but I assume he was laughing at the observation that SSDD seems to be an absolute favorite among people in the community who have not grown or smoked it. There’s been a handful of community projects and “breeders” distributing SSDD fgens for some time now and it’s usually (almost always) with untested females. To me it’s the laziest possible way of going about things. I referenced Holy or HB’s cut in contrast because they at least found females they deem worthy and have looked for ways to preserve it.

Do these polyhybrids really require a preservation via open pollination? I’d be much more interested in seeing people F2 or S1 standout phenos that they found, especially in a line like SSDD where there appears to be an abundance of lackluster phenos and intersex issues. Nobody wants to wait that long for something to come to fruition though, and you’ll get a lot more positive attention from announcing free seeds are coming before the seeds have even germinated.

Feels like there’s some kind of mass delusion taking place where these polyhybrids are being treated like some rare extinct landrace from the 70s. It’s safe to say that if a seedbank was carrying thousands of packs of these seeds the threat of losing them permanently to cookies and more hype strains is pretty slim. I think it’s also pretty safe to say a good amount of cannabis enthusiasts throughout the world have genetics containing or similar enough to SSDD (bubba/chem/blueberry).

Edit : also as to what’s going on - everyone’s favorite “breeder” copa is going to be selling some Bubbashine F2s. I’m sure they’ll be as high quality as the Goji F2s he sold and everything else haha…

[leetdood]

After some hard grinding and whatnot… the truth is theres a lot of smart people on the scene, and a lot of hustlers, and a lot of bro scientist. Its a 3 way venn diagram.

Cant put anybody on a pedestal man. Grow the plants they tell the truth.

[leetdood]

Speaking of TK

I know we hate cookies here… but one day i saw this pic

Its dookies pic of the wedding cake cut he holds (triangle mints #23?)

Its the first and only time i saw a pic of wedding cake that made me go like, oh yeah i see the triangle!

Im about to flower the same cut out (sources back to him?) So it was on my mind. Gonna see how it does.

Overall the scene is a mixed bag. Ive met some reliable growers who i can trust to say how it is. But at the same time people hold elite clones or seed packs on a pedestal.

Bodhi is a decent guy, but he makes seeds. He probably does not even want to be idolized or lionized in the first place, it is the fan boys who make him sound like a walking bodhisattva.

Furthermore, human meatbags are biased and not to be trusted

[minitiger]

Ah, okay. So just more of the same, basically? Haha.

@syzygy

Nobody wants to wait that long for something to come to fruition though, and you’ll get a lot more positive attention from announcing free seeds are coming

Right. That’s always seemed very weird to me, when people are like,”Popping this pack of seeds I just got and I’m gonna f2 them!” before they’ve even looked at the plants or smoked the fucking weed. For what? Why? You don’t even know if it’s good.

I mean, I can’t talk, I’ve never (intentionally) made a seed in my life, but still… Put some thought and consideration into it.

@syzygy

also as to what’s going on - everyone’s favorite “breeder” copa

Get off those threads. I’m not joking. Get off of them. Don’t pay any attention to them at all. I mean, really, why? You’re not interested. You’ll never be interested. It’ll be totally beneficial for your mental health and, again, I’m not joking: Who gives a shit what copa’s doing? You don’t, so why pay attention?

I love you guys. I’ve found my people here, the fifteen or so that I interact with, but one of the problems with “the internet” is that it exposes you to that which you would never be exposed otherwise, in real life. You would never talk to these people in your daily life.

[SubzeroIceKold]

That sounds awesome ! Thanks for sharing

[LonelyOC]

Well, yeah. I guess my thoughts stem from the hype around him, which is an enigma for me. Why I reacted on that podcast with him might have stemmed from my assumption that he was knowledgeable in landraces. But I don’t know his circumstances and it might be that he uses a lot of cut hunted by other people and so on.

I have no idea how he works tbh, I do think that what he does is how it should be done, minus the overuse of the same male.

@minitiger you’re probably not including me in your praise, but I’m glad to have “met” you and I really enjoy reading your insights and adventures. Just wanted to say it

Pz

[HorseBadorites]

@HolyAngel

I think HB is on his second cut now? Maybe it’s the same one I still prefer mine to the first one he’s had but he’s been going through SSDD’s for a few years now too.

I’ve kept a lot, until I find one that’s better. This one is the same I sent you, she’s been around for a while, 2017 maybe. I didn’t think you grew her out?

I grow for 10 +/- folks, and it’s what they consistently ask for, and only one uses her for nerve pain. She works for daytime or nightime for us.

I do grow other stuff just for the variety, and maybe finding something even better. The Tigermelon 2 x SSDD and Herer HP have been the closest.

I really like the TM x SSDD, and am hoping to find a great male out of the SSDD repro going on. I think he brings a lot. That’s why I’m vested in that one.

@syzygy

It’s not really a joke but I assume he was laughing at the observation that SSDD seems to be an absolute favorite among people in the community who have not grown or smoked it.

It will be interesting to see how all the folks who haven’t tried her feel after the seeds come out… if anybody really grows them

I’m big on Bodhi too. I’ve liked a lot of his stuff I’ve grown, not a fanboy though, I’m actually a Fan Man.

@syzygy

I’d be much more interested in seeing people F2 or S1 standout phenos that they found, especially in a line like SSDD where there appears to be an abundance of lackluster phenos and intersex issues.

She’s a bitch to reverse, I haven’t seen anyone have any luck, including myself. My hope is that after @TeddyNuggets ’ F2 project, we can get down to serious selecting.

Didn’t care much for Goji OG, even though I got 5 girls out of 6 seeds. Sent the rest to @oleskool830. Hope that wasn’t what killed him, RIP.

I also love Tom Hill just for the way he winds people up, so there’s that!

[syzygy]

@HorseBadorites

if anybody really grows them

BIG if.

@HorseBadorites

Didn’t care much for Goji OG, even though I got 5 girls out of 6 seeds. Sent the rest to @oleskool830.

He was actually growing out my Goji OG F2s and I had just sent him the rest of my Jungle Spice (congo pine x 88) prior to his departure. Interacting with him I feel like he would have absolutely appreciated the morbid humor haha. RIP indeed.

[HolyAngel]

@minitiger

Do you ever mix the two? Like a little TK/SSDD combo joint or bowl or whatever?

Oh yeah! A bunch of the time. It’s why I wanna cross them even if it has to be a fem cross to do it. No luck yet tho.

@HorseBadorites

I’ve kept a lot, until I find one that’s better. This one is the same I sent you, she’s been around for a while, 2017 maybe. I didn’t think you grew her out?

Ah gotcha! No I ended up not flowering her out myself after smoking the flower from her.

@HorseBadorites

grow for 10 +/- folks, and it’s what they consistently ask for, and only one uses her for nerve pain. She works for daytime or nightime for us.

No doubt, she has all the effects and good potency for sure but for me she was more evening oriented than my cut is and I didn’t care for the skunky/funky smells she carries. Nothing wrong with it at all, I just prefer mine

@HorseBadorites

@syzygy

I’d be much more interested in seeing people F2 or S1 standout phenos that they found, especially in a line like SSDD where there appears to be an abundance of lackluster phenos and intersex issues.

She’s a bitch to reverse, I haven’t seen anyone have any luck, including myself. My hope is that after @TeddyNuggets ’ F2 project, we can get down to serious selecting.

100%. I haven’t tried on yours but I know mine is the most stable plant I’ve personally seen. I’m gonna try injecting sts or something this fall/winter but not expecting any success there either.

[HorseBadorites]

@syzygy

BIG if.

Well, I will

@syzygy

Jungle Spice (congo pine x 88)

That was a nice one, I’m fond of that dad, too. If I can ever get thru the packs I haven’t popped yet, that’s one I see as a rerun

@HolyAngel

I just prefer mine

Me too, lol! But, if you ever get to pimping out your gal, I think I’d like to give her a try. Could help me understand your descriptions

@HolyAngel

mine is the most stable plant I’ve personally seen. I’m gonna try injecting sts or something this fall/winter but not expecting any success there either.

With a couple of sprays of STS I can get great clusters of male flowers on a very healthy plant, they just shoot blanks. I’ve been watching the shooting up thread

[HolyAngel]

Yeah sterile pollen has been my experience too
I’ll definitely let you know when I have the next round ready to go out. Probably a month or so ^^

[Cactus]

@minitiger

Who was the other dipshit on that thread who, when I asked,”Why don’t you just take the best females and males from each generation and breed with those, instead of doing open pollinations every time?” said,”No, that’s bad breeding practices,” or something equally inane? I can’t remember right now, but I definitely recognized their screen name, seen it all over the place when I was researching stuff.

I once suggested breeding the best types from what you find and then inbreeding them to increase the chances of producing more desirable traits. Tom responded by saying, “Why not just self them and skip a step? No extra points for taking longer,” if I remember correctly. That was back when I was very new to the forum.

Honestly, I still feel just as inexperienced at times, and it can get discouraging, but it’s still fun overall. I’ve read through many of your threads, and I find your perspective really interesting. You’re someone who speaks your mind and doesn’t hold back — that takes courage, at least in my opinion.

[Herbie]

The SSDD I have grown were f2 selected by Sebring from his seed run. My luck has been decent for finding smokable plants in those seeds. But there were at least 2 that were special.

The SL BX came from GrowHard’s unknown mother thread. Only sprouted someone elses stuff. I did follow those Goji threads…I don’t have any of that line. I did find one I enjoyed and have some I need to get to. Where his male came from I dunno but I think everyone that ran that one was greatly pleased with them. The female was Goji QM cut. I crossed a male from those to Sour Bubble and just dropped a 2nd round in soil.

Breeders are about the sale in the end. I had someone tell me the other day about Copycat and “you get what you pay for”? I’d rather run the f2’s somebody I trust liked and chose or pay for a decent clone from a reputable source than chase the seed wagon.