Actually Tim, I just set up my mini tent for the winter, and I’m looking at the light levels. I think I can cut back to two of the 7watt bulbs and that will be plenty of light for this tiny 1 sq foot all white interior Homebox tent. So that would be 14 watts plus 9w for the computer fan, so 23w total. Running 18 hours per day for veg would be $6 per month according to the wife, so less for 11/13 flowering. 
Juicy Woo is coming along. No aromas yet…
hey @Josh_Blue welcome to my thread… I know I know. f13 contains chocolate thai only. I just comment that guy told me that f13 male was thai pheno according to him, I have no clue, if yes or not. there is also diesel mixed in… I chose pheno which was racy in initial effect, those others were more stony and sleepy after diesel, too much of lavender you know… I wanted to infuse fuel into toms haze. without adding too much indica…
I will work with pure F13 yet, it is on my list for sure. I am just scary of mutants, as elanius used nonmutated individual of F13 with toms haze and I got crazy mutants, which would not grow more than 10 cm, whatever I did with it… so crazy mutated and very awful… only one individual out of 15 seeds was nonmutated… crazy.
no, I didn’t send you juicy. only TB. if I know there are cherry phenos in JW too, I would… but it is not a problem dude, we can fix it 
hey @TexasTea beautiful Juicy!!!
really rainbow phenos of Toms haze is some of the most euphoric stuff I tried… and not calming. high quality.
OK, so the Boogie was Kona Gold x Original Haze? Different line from Federation, and the OH is not quite the same as Tom Hill Haze? Hard to keep it all straight Maha!
hehehe boogie is KG x Toms original haze.
original haze, there are more versions or selections. there is the one from Tom with thai green phenos, but also purple and colorful phenos. there is so called seedsman version, which was delivered from Skunkman, which is more about colombian gold phenotypes. and then there is so called 90s original haze from swedish guy called Goli, who selected for his favorite phenos, I dont know details of it, and I know there are so called Punto Rojo phenos… I grew 90sOhz x toms haze from Mac, and it was 90shaze dominant, and most phenos reminded me old timer haze I grew…
seedman haze is only about green phenos.
although Toms favorites are green ones, his line keeps also those colorful phenos, is not strictly green haze line. so to me it is more original haze, then those other mentioned selections. yes, I kept red colombian pheno from Toms haze too, for a while.
I ended up with 5 elite phenos, lime green one, red one, strictly green mango/onion one, rootbeer one and dark green silver one. all were citric to some point and metallic, seedsman can be faint lemony, but not this citric thing, seedsman haze is not metallic, 90s haze is not metallic… but like I said, it doesn’t mean, that if you get lime green one, it is that 5% one. it cant be selected according to color or taste. only according to how brain counts it when smoked, like Tom said.
I forget flying dutchman version, which was slightly different to seedsman and which was also delivered straight by Skunkman. I saw colorful phenos of it. and roobeer was reported too. I have never heard about rootbeer from seedman…
I love rootbeer pheno, it has so complex bouquet it is unbelievable, citric vanilla tobacco ginger rootbeer/cola leathery and temple incense… spicy spicy spicy… I crossed it with oaxacan79 which is cola spice, and lemons/limes with livery incense. and it was the match. for top euphoric energetic weed, there is cut of it in Canada, it is called mextasy. rootbeer is not trippy really. it is warm euphoric. when you get trippy pheno it is always accompanied with cold euphoria and anxiety mix. like any psychedelics it makes you feel uneasy and anxious, some blood pressure swing too and head pressuring…
Thanks for the nice summations!
So, is Neville’s Haze different from the Tom Hill? And is Old Timers Haze different yet?
I am running Neville’s Haze x Panama from Ace right now…
yes, all are different. nevils haze is hybrid of it, so it has different features. most of lumbo phenos 13/14 weekers I dont like, too dreamy stony… a bit boring to me. I had bohemps cut, which is thai pheno 18 weeker, that one I liked, but toms haze won over it in smoking contest… more cerebral and more energetic.
we were testing it in 2016 summer, the first we smoked NH and few hours after that toms lime green pheno and vice versa, the whole summer camping at river and smoking this trippy stuff. toms haze won clearly… simply more fun. haze is about fun for me. NH has ceilling of the effect, while toms haze doesnt have any… I dont mean tolerance built up now, I am talking about the fact that when you smoke joint of NH, it takes high, very high, but second joint will not take you higher. at toms haze, second joint will take even higher, third joint even highergher LOL toms haze is ceillingless in this.
cut of NH used in cross with panama, I know very well. it is one of the best and definitely the best one of those 13/14 phenos. very trippy. but duration for me was maximally 3 hours and come down is not smooth, less cerebral and less energetic and also not so multidimensional like toms haze, the effect of toms haze is more neuroplastic, but I am talking about 5% individual of toms haze, not about some average phenos. also thai pheno of NH is very rare, the most of NH growers have never had it, what I observed on the boards… all cuts of NH around are those lumbo ones, incense haze you know. thai pheno of it is super rare…
old time haze is really wild tropical cultivar… for me it was very cerebral, but still more dreamy euphoric than trippy. more energetic and more cerebral than NH. charlie garcia selected old timer haze from only 30 seeds, less amount than Tom with his haze, and charlie garcia also selected out 14 weekers, and went only with long flowering.
juicy fruit thai pheno of juicy woo, to me much better than NH… more fun…
Have you ever run into a Thai that once it flowers just keeps flowering?
In my notes I call that stacking, the effects exactly as you describe.
(gamer reference) 
Cheers
G
I just love the strain name “juicy woo”. It looks very interesting as well. Thanks again for sharing here.
Thanks man! Yeah these skinny leaves and lanky sativa structure are really interesting. I bet it will be first rate smoke too.
Maha, your write-ups are always interesting and informative. Much appreciated by folks like me who like to learn, and your deep passion for these hazes is obvious.
I wonder, what is your opinion on Mr Nice Spice? I’m sure you must have grown it? I’m trying to pop a seed right now…
no I didnt grow it @TexasTea , I grew only shark shock cut, I grew nev haze x skunk and their nev haze and mango haze, super silver haze. mostly when it was yellow packs…
I keep hybrid of mango haze, mango joy(super laos x mango haze), but laos changes it a lot.
I started to be interested in hawaiians just recently. when I was looking for sativa hybrid with great taste, like oaxacan79 or trainwreck… for haze… you should really try trainwreck, so close to these hawaiians, yet tad bit more potent. I sent you trainwreck/thai x bshw I think. give it try…
yes, not in Toms haze, but some lines produce such plant, which never ends its flowering, old buds die and new are popping, endlessly. it is a pain the ass LOL
I agree with all of your thoughts Maha. I not really allowed to say that until I am drunk on beer it’s frowned on in society but yes the one I grow is better than all that other shit 
. One thing that we are not talking about yet is vulnerability*. That plant takes an alpha personality like me and just crushes me down to the core of my soul and makes me feel like my mind and ego are very fragile things. It’s makes all aggression disappear in an instant. Very medicinal in this capacity.
Thought the tropical stuff was a little over inflated but still AWESOME! Go from walking 3-4 mile hike to 10 and loving every STEP! The high can’t be beat
Let’s be clear. The vast majority of tropicals today are incredibly over inflated. A bunch of stoner scammer shysters since well prior the millennium trying to cash in on memories of weed, the quality of which is long gone. That is mostly what we are looking at. There is a few though man. The haze I grow is no joke.
