Everyone (2) members that have acquired the seeds from me were informed they were 1/8 Romulan, if you have to ask the question why not go to the source rather than speculating on what I have and have not done. One member also picked up more Viet black from you also and I do not have his strain just assumed it was same genetics. If I was wrong forgive me for suggesting he pollute the strain with “your stock”…
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Frst of all, im sorry just assumed. If i write i think, i guess, i suspect… too often my posts become unreadable very fast.this is no excuse, so i say sorry .
I never sent pure Vietblacks to anyone , so its not possible anyone has pure vietblacks from me.
Seems i missnterpreted you didnt mention it, and im positively surprised you mentioned it when you gave it to others
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I didnt get mine from Instig8tor. I knew vietblack had been outcrossed. I was told. Vietblack was a feminized s1, so any seeds would be from outcross. Still excited to grow them, but they stay separate from hoabac/viet. . You know me by now. I like to keep sativas pure if possible. . But I’d still like to use that vietblack pollen! That cut was supposed to be excellent. I almost bought those original vietblack s1s, but the sticker shock made me shy. Even had the order form filled out.
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Sorry, i thought he alreay sent it, that was mistacke nr 2… Its sunday, im tired. Its just since i sent them i saw that danger it will not be mentioned, you know.
Again im Sorry @instagator i made wrong unnecessary conclusion
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Not a problem, I can be located at @instg8ter if anyone has any question about my seeds or plant as usual…
@Romanoweed you will notice that I also tagged you for the black Willies from @guitarzan On my original post as I am aware you are the breeder. I may have memory issues but try to give credit where credit is due. And I’m sure him and @lefthandseeds will confirm they were told the genetics before they were traded.
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So the original Vietnam Black source… was that that Vietnam Black from the West Coast that everyone was raving about? They only released a selfed feminized version if I recall correctly? I’d remember the name of the company if it was mentioned.
And then this Vietnam Black was crossed to Romulan and then back to itself 7 times, right? Or is this from a different Vietblack I never heard of?
You can tell @romanoweed is like a father with his daughters when it comes to his Vietnamese seeds. Keeping track and making sure they’re okay, and not dating the wrong seed LOL!
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Vietnamblack often same Source
the original vietblack source you ask . Many cursating vietblacks are acording my research from one source: a person brought a pure 70s viet x China into transfer in 2000. This was then passed on by many breeders and collectors. ACE seeds, Reeferman, Billygoat, Dutchflowers, Kiona, Docd Seeds, used it. Alltho its not compleetly shure, but it really seems they all used same vietnamese, all same. The feminized you are speaking off i guess you mean Docd seeds, he relased feminized ones lately sold out.
Mine are also same line from a source i dont wanna mention openly, still need more from him.
There is only another old different vietblackline that made some small rounds i also dont wanna mention it publc, its anyway not more pure , its also outcrossed (puhh i hope this doesent confuse you, but i call the vietblack everyone has pure cause it was ever named pure, but it has chinese in it) yeah and the romulancrosses, just crossed again with viet multiple times i guess…
yet another line is hoabac (is never called VB so not the thema)
yet another line is Daweedallat (is never called VB so not the thema)
So in one go: many vietnamblacks out there are seemingly just from one single line. I pronounce many, cause the times are changing slightly
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The vietblack I speak of came from some seed company in oregon( I think) there was a lot of hype surrounding this particular s1. I seem to remember the word" legend" in the seed company name. This guy must have found a very good Vietnam Black so he selfed it. I thought everything came from this Vietnam Black, but it sounds more like his Vietnam Black came from the stock you speak of, not the other way around. It was over 100$ for 7 fem seeds. That, I remember, was the reason I didn’t buy it. It’s a shame that many of these legendary sativas are almost impossible to find in their pure form. It boggled my mind that something so good could disappear. I don’t understand why people didn’t keep it around pure. It must make killer hybrids.
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Is Vietnam Black a landrace or a cultivar/heirloom ?
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Vietnamblack Description
- Here that description Dutchflowers used was taken i believe from the SOURCE of most vietblacks floating around, your anwsers inside (besides description calling it pure sativa)
Nam Black (von Dutch Flowers) :: Cannabis Sorten Infos
- here the secound Vietnamblack-Cross cursating in smaller Circles:
Black Forrest (von Kingdom Organic Seeds) :: Cannabis Sorten Infos
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Cabeza de negro. Two more chopped, day 93. One left. My best guess on these is that they are indeed an F2 of the strain called Bahia blackhead. 4 of them taken at 11 weeks, one at 12, 2 at 13 + 1/2, and the last one has a week left or so. I have plenty of seeds if anybody is interested. I have kept the 11-week pole pheno’s separate from the branchy later flowering types. I will give these late-flowering types another try next summer, and hope to find something that goes longer than 14 weeks. The buds are very solid on the later flowering type, more so than the pole phenotypes. I found this a little bit odd
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KC Brains huh. I had a KC 33 cut that I grew full season some years back. I remember it being nice. That Bahia looks like all afghanica. It’s beautiful. I may be interested in some seeds. Wondering what the hash would be like from it…
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Yeah, you’re thinking of the seeds Doc D released, that’s the ones I bought.
Like romanoweed said, Pure Vietnam Black is a hybrid of two Vietnamese landraces
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It sure has solid buds like Afghan. The smells I’m getting are skunky, and cheese. In the later flowering types there’s sativa like undertones, maybe floral or something like that. There’s one phenotype in particular that I’m going to continue to work with. It was the first plant pictured in the most recent pictures. It’s sister was picked at 12 weeks. The 12-weeker was pretty damn potent with no cure. I can’t wait to try it after a month. The longer the flower, the more potent they have gotten so far. in other words, the most potent was the one that had flowered the longest. I can’t wait to try these last couple I picked. And these were grown with only 3 weeks or so of veg time. So they are not mature plants in my opinion. They resisted powdery mildew, while everything else got it, except for two of the Malawi. They resisted spider mites, while everything got it except those same 2 Malawi. And I had only one little spot of Bud rot during our 90% humidity and that was on one of the pole phenotypes. This is the first stuff I have grown, besides my own, that I will grow again. Still awaiting Harvest and a smoke test on the other strains I grew this season. Let me know if you want seeds.
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well it sure is pretty. I’d love to have some seeds. one day I’ll have something to offer in return when I get my seed runs going.
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I’ll send you some seeds. I don’t need anything in return. I love sativa landrace’s, so just please keep your eyes peeled for me and let me know if you see something good. For me that’s a great trade. Hit me up on p.m. when you get the chance
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PA grower here. Would be very interested in some of those beans. Stuff looks great!
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^^^ hey hey welcome to the forum dude : )
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right on brother. will do
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I am so glad that I started this landrace thread to see so many post on it now, At the time I felt it necessary to add a landrace thread as there was none to be found… I would like to shape it up a little in to groups perhaps at some point something like it is on IC mag … Hey @Upstate, I would love to maybe trade something for some of your malawi or other african landrace seeds you may have ,also the indian looks awesome also… I have a rather small collection but perhaps I have something of interest… 
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