Thanks, OG member, think original name was Tdud
No problem. Shoot me a private message. The pole phenotypes flower 11 weeks oh, and the others 12 to 14. I kept them separate so let me know what youāre interested in or if youāre interested in both.
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That would be awesome Upstate. Canāt figure out the PM on this site. Maybe PM me or any help would be appreciated. Thanks
nevermind i am reading the new user material. sucks iāll have to wait like 2 weeks until i can PM. Iāll keep my eye out if there are any left.
Iām glad you started the thread too! One of my favorites. I can definitely send you some seeds of the Malawi. No trade necessary
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1st pic is Cocogenes Pulga, a Parvati valley landrace from a remote village called Pulga, near 10,000 feet. Stem runs range between Frankincense, floral/perfume and straight up dill pickle. Its 8 ft tall in a 5 gallon container lol. It doesnāt look like it will finish, but we shall see. Incredible cold tolerance has been reported with this landrace. In the springtime, it withstood Frost differently than other plants. Actually, I thought it was dead at first. It was completely limp to the point where even the main stalk was bent like a rainbow. This was the plants defense against frost. Freezes ( below 30)cause water in plantsā cells to expand, causing them to burst. So the Pulga pushes almost all of its water down to the roots for the night, leaving extra room in the dehydrated cells for expansion to occur when frozen. Pretty cool. Strong growers. This one was heavily trained early on. They want to be tall.
The second two pictures are my favorite Kullu pheno. I just noticed today that the calyxes have started to swell. Still lots of white stigmas, but many have turned. Anyone have any idea how much longer these will go? Guesstimate? I donāt know these long flowering types. They dont ripen all at once. One of the Malawi, which had looked near the end a week ago, just threw out a very respectable amount of fresh stigmas. Lots. And I hear they get more potent sometimes if you wait for reflowerings to ripen. Does the harvest window go much longer for sativas than for hybrids? I want to take them at their best. Disregard the spider mite damageā¦
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With landraces that foxtail like that, in my experience growing outdoors you need to judge harvest timing based on the ripeness and condition of the oldest parts of the bud.
The tips of the foxtails can be misleading.
In some strains they will keep growing forever, even as the older bud dies off.
Indoors is more forgiving and you can really let them go very late into flowering without consequence.
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Thanks for that info. Its appreciated. They get brought in at night, and go under a light on rainy daysā¦does that qualify as " indoor"?
These are tricky. With what Iām used to growing, harvest time is very clear. How big will the difference be with the high from a harvest with clear resin heads opposed to mostly cloudy with 25%amber resin heads as some suggest nowadays. With my own strain, an early pick is very speedy, while a late pick knocks me out. Is it much different with pure sativas? I was planning to pick when the resin turned cloudy, but I really want that up up high malawi is famous for. Hereās a picture from yesterday.
What do you think? Could I let more calyxes swell? I was thinking one more weekā¦resin mostly clear with some cloudyā¦
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In my experience with true sativas, earlier harvest is more speedy, while late harvest is more psychedelic.
Iāve never tried the indoor/outdoor or light dep type method, so Iām not sure how that will effect things. I would err on the side of caution and treat it like outdoor.
Indoor I would just let it ride until the development of the flowers slowed to a crawl. I like to let them flower really late and get very faded for a psychedelic effect.
Outdoors, I would probably say that could be harvested at any point. Usually in that case, I would let it go as long as possible, and harvest immediately as soon as there was any sign of adverse conditions that could effect the quality or cause mold problems.
So Iād say let it go for at least a few more days, but harvest immediately if you see a bud worm, if it rains, or if you see a tiny fleck of mildew.
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Those are impressive trees!
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Well, the few sativas I have grown outdoors that have foxtailed like that have gone well into November and even December of course I am way down south so It usually does not get cold until well into December sometimesā¦ But yes, I would just keep an eye on them and let them keep stacking as long as I did not see any bud rotā¦ I have even picked the upper more ripe buds and left the smaller lower ones on longer to stack moreā¦ But yes those plants that foxtail like that tend to be hard to read with the constant new growth that keeps stacking onā¦ But if those are outdoor plants I would let them go up to another month perhaps as long as the buds are healthy lookingā¦
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So, they dont really get sleepy, just a more psychedelic high, but pick anytime. Great info. @pookie123, says let em go as long as they stack up. Ok. Good advice. Iāll try both. I only have 4, but a couple look very close, while one or two may want to stack up a bit more, though cold is comingā¦ Thankyou both.
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Thanks. Nice buds, but tiny plants. I can only imagine these as trees this year lol. Next year, perhaps.
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Yeah, I donāt think you will have to worry about the Malawi ever going couchlock/sleepy on you, being a sativa known to be on the energetic side as just about all s. African strains, I would probably want to let them go longer to perhaps avoid having too much energy and causing anxiety as a side effectā¦ I like the energy that sativas give, but I hate having so much that it gives me anxiety, I just canāt smoke anything that gives me anxiety and paranoiaā¦ I grew out some Happa Haze about 5 years ago or so that just kept stacking and I let some of them go till late november, up untill the point that they started dropping most of their fan leaves, But I am down in Florida where it does not get cold until December-Jan.
I think the ones I let go later were more potent, and defiantly had more weight with the added grow timeā¦ Like I said some of those Happa Haze just would not stop foxtailing with new growth till the time I decided to chopā¦ Iām no expert by far, Just going from what I experienced with the few outdoor sativas I have grownā¦ Hey @Upstate, can you fill me in on any info you might have on the Malawi you have? Like perhaps the source, if thats okā¦ I have Malawi from Seeds of Africa and a couple other sources from guys in Africa that I found on Strainlyā¦ Just curious, as I would like to collect Malawi from different sourcesā¦ I have not been able to really grow anything lately, but I am trying to collect seeds from as many parts of Africa as possibleā¦ I feel that Africa and India are some of the last places that you can still find a variety of unpolluted landraces from around the continents, But I feel that they need to be collected while they still can beā¦ Many places such as south africa they are starting mass projects of growing Hemp, such as in Lesotho, that will have a massive effect on polluting the gene pool of the landraces of the area with the Hemp pollen and even the spread of modern hybrids from such companies as Greenhouse seedsā¦ Greenhouse seeds goes on their trips to remote spots to find rare landraces and then gives them their hybrids in trade for them! I personally think they are doing it on purpose to pollute the landraces after they have collected them for themselves, making them even more rare or even obsolete eventuallyā¦ But, hey they have those rare landraces they collected for themselvesā¦ I think it is a terrible thing they are doing, spreading their hybrids all around the world where these landraces have been thriving for centuriesā¦
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I have a pack of the Waipiāo Hapa that I havenāt cracked yet. Iāve never seen a grow of the Hapa Haze, but Iāve wanted to try that one too. I guess you must have gotten some OT haze leaners in there, as they seem to go pretty long.
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Yes, I would have to say a few were OT haze leaning as you statedā¦ Some just wanted to keep on going and goingā¦ Yes I believe Waipiāo Hapa and the Hapa Haze is rather rare, the only place I knew of to have it was a seed co. called Centennial Seedsā¦
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Thatās exactly where I got mine. I live not too far from where Centennial seeds is located, and purchased some of the Waipiāo and the Dakini Kush. He has some other rather interesting strains as well, but Iām not sure if he is still making them.
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You are damn right about greenhouse seeds. I used to think they were awesome and I loved their Adventures. And then I found out they would give out their Kush hybrids to the locals, after, of course, they secured the real landrace. Thatās a crime against humanity in my opinion , and Arjan should be ashamed of himself . I think companies like Ace seeds have gotten the Malawi that is a result of that contamination. Apparently the Northwestern part of Malawi is not contaminated. I got the one I grew this year from the real Seed Company, and it is afro Pips malawi. The landrace team has Malawi straight from Malawi, but Iām fairly certain they got theirs from Instagram. Iām gathering African /Indian landraces as well. Like you said, pretty untapped. Did you get Malawi from mark on strainly? I really wanted that one. 1st order lost. 2nd order I pd and then never heard from him. Fāin covid. That Malawi goes 12 weeks, and I could grow it quite easily where I am. Check out Benofromcongo on Instagram. He has Congo Pointe Noire , and I just received my seeds from him. PS. Check out Cocogenes for Indian landraces.
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yep. dunno what arjan is thinking. itās lame in that regard. capitalism pollutes everything it touches. āfirst billionaire seed bankāā¦pfff
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Those were the first seeds legally available in MA. This dude opened as soon as medical passed in 2012
http://baystateseed.com/?page_id=17
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