I bet that hash is great! Hopefully someday it is around in large quantities again. Very interesting post!
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Thatās if Monsanto Bayer hasnāt bought up every land race they were able to find. We are competing with huge pockets. They only chance we haveis, if us growers keep it sacred and away from corporations.
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@vinny_verde they canāt buy land races. Thatās why itās so important to preserve them. These may very well be some of the only varieties we are legally allowed to grow in the future. Youāre right. Their pockets are endless
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Acording to a Doku show, they CAN patent landraces. Someone claimed they won a Lawsuit over a Pig Landrace , that shoudnt be patentable.
They showed the Lawyers telling before the Court-hearing that they have no chance to win.
After the Court-hearing, the Lawyers told: we cant explain why they won that caseā¦
Was this Doku truthfull? Dont know, but i assume it.
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I hope youāre wrong. So far all the heirloom vegetable seeds are in good shape. They have been able to do nothing with any of those as far as patenting.
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Yes there is. I have grown it. It has two phenos: one short & strout and the other is tall & wispy. Both VN Black phenos throw both phenos. The name comes from late in bloom when it has a dark hue to the leaves that makes it look ghostly black. Under a loupe the dark hue is actually due to purple coloring at the edges of the leaves. It is good smoke. Takes forever to bloom though, and finishes really really late. Like January late.
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In the US at least, unless it is GMO, you can only patent a clone of a plant, and not seeds. Each seed is a unique genetic strain, and as such cannot be patented. So they cannot patent or make claims to a collection of landrace beans and the plants produced from them. You could patent one mother and all her clones though. Also ālandraceā is a term defined for regional indigenous animal breeds, and not plants. The term is used in MJ circles for indigenous regional plant strains though. There is great debate as to what a landrace strain is, and how long it has to be grown in a region to be a landrace, etc.
Case in point, Lebanese. No one can agree on how long it has been grown in the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon, or where it originated from. On Phylos Galaxy the Lebby landrace strain submitted and posted there have no genetic relatives to any other strains submitted to them. Not that I trust Phylos for anything, those &^%$ers lied to the Open Cannabis Project and intended to use the submitted genomes tested by them to create a āsuperā strain for profit. Much falling out here over that. In the case of Lebanese Red though, I believe that is correct that Lebanese Red is not related to any other strains, and as such is a true landrace. It is different than anything else that I have grown. I call it Lebanese Red as it tends to have a red hue to the stems when grown in full sun.
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Lebanese is very very old. I believe it may have been brought to the region by none other than Jesus, who returned from a 12 year sabbatical with Buddhist Monks in India region with cannabis seeds and knowledge of the uses of the finished product.
Yes. Lots of debateā¦ hopefully straitened out someday. I hold with those that think 100 years is sufficient for landrace status, but i see why others would disagree. Heirloom is the preferred term for those that do. In vegetables, heirlooms are 50+yrs old. To me, in a hundred Generations cannabis plants become something completely different than what they started as if the climate is different. Indistinguishable really from their ancestor,or ancestors.
I have no love for Phylos either. Deceitful company at the least. But some of the information is useful.
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@PanchoVilla
I grew Lebanese for my first grow and had two phenos one red stemmed and tremendously stoney and one green stem cbd plant
The green stem was tested at 3.5 cbd and less than one percent thc
BUTā¦it has a very strange terpene in large quantities.
Itās called guaiol and also has linalool and farnesene
Almost no mycrene
I smoke it in the morning and it helps me wake up and concentrate without getting jittery
Iām thinking of growing these hermied seeds
I would like to order more
Is RSC a good source?
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The real seed company is a good source for Lebanese. (Kwik seeds for The U.S.)
Pine and cedar smells. High CBD in my smoking experience, which due to rot was very minimal. Leafy plants, but maybe I used more nitrogen than they were used to. Lots of unnecessary single leaflet leaves.
One āIndicaā plant with large calyxās. Unfortunately I never grew that one until Harvest. I donāt recall what happened, but I seem to remember topping it and it stopped growing. Or it topped itself and quit growing.
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Looking back I recall mine having overfeeding symptoms which is weird because I didnāt feed much. They were in happy frog from the start, 12:12 lighting and I fed them a fish oil mix nutrient.
I had a major lighting accident and they hermied although I never saw pollen sacks or bananas. I have lots of seeds.
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Yup, these plants are crazy. My experience too. I grow with synthetics indoors, but I have been struggling to find things that make them happy. One thing is that these plants want insane amounts of phosphorus. Phosphorous deficiency in more extreme cases strongly limits nutrient transport in the plant.
One thing that I noticed was dark foliage and clawing (N tox) at the top and yellowing at the bottom (N def). I canāt explain how this could happen other than through phosphorous deficiency. Iām not sure if the soils in Bekaa Valley are high in phosphorous, but this grow, things have been going better since supplementing in a lot more P.
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Yes mine clawed and weāre dark even though I used a very light nitrogen feed.
I think it was molasses and fish oil?
It would have killed any thing else probably. If I can get my old tablet up and running I Iāll post a picture.
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I just remembered another detail.
I mixed my happy frog with peat moss and perlite one third of each for my soil. So it was a very light soil!
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Iām so glad Iām not the only one lol. Thatās one of the things Iām trying to breed/adapt toward is higher nutrient tolerance. I donāt want to be up for that battle every grow.
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Have you heard of these folks?
They claim to have a Lebanese from 1971.Blonde Lebanese - Dutch Seeds
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They claim 31.25% thc for their lebaneseā¦a typo i hope. Otherwise dishonest I would think. Sounded great up until that point.
I also used a light soil mix for Lebanese. The second year I had a couple of Lebanese volunteers pop up that really seemed to enjoy plain old garden soil.( Or they were hybridized with my own strain Iām not sure). Less leaf and denser buds.
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Yea itās a dead linkā¦sorry. Iām also looking at Willie G.s Lebanese from Humboldt seed co.
RSC is hard to beat though!
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IMHO that Dutch Seeds Lebanese loos so mega legit. I would hundret percent shure buy it if i was into Lebanese. Very good. Also they have some other stuff , the Dutch Haze, that looks , well: as good as it can for such a short flowering Time. It looks like some oldish genetics in this Seedbank.
Recoended! but dont take my word for it.
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Looks killer no doubt. Very much so. Do you know if the company is legit? The high prices crossed out also raised a concern for meā¦and there were no comments from anyone.
Iāll give the wrong thc count a pass, assuming its meant to say 13.25% and not 31.25% thcā¦
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