First time reading the early parts of this thread. Very interesting info. I can definitely imagine A 100 or more land race strains in Mexico 70 years ago. In the Himalayas, There are similar scenarios, with each Valley having its own selections With different terpene profiles. I think more than one Valley having a different climate than the next Valley, it is the selections humans make that make the cultivars different Over time. Today we might drive on a road that will take us over a 10000ā mountain range, or perhaps we would just take a plane 100 or 200 miles as the Crow flies , cutting off hundreds of additional miles had we gone overland. But in rural regions In many areas today, and in many more areas back in the day There were no such roads or choppers/ planes. For that reason isolation is easy from one Valley to the next with a large mountain range separating the two. A great example of this is in the state of Virginia. Massanutton Mountain Separates the 2 branches of the Shenandoah river towards the headwaters. (General Jackson made great use of this terrain which only had one pass over the mountain connecting the 2 different valleys nearly in the middle of the range). This mountain range is only in the neighborhood of 3000ā tall and 90 miles long( is my 15 year old memory right here? 90 miles?) and except for the one pass Over the mountain, this small range has been an effective obstacle to travel for hundreds of years even in this advanced country. Just to go a few miles as the Crow flies requires an hour or two of driving around the mountain in some instances. Imagine the Himalayan ridges with 10 times the height and many times the length or the Sierra Madre in Mexico Hundreds of years ago. The isolation was real And this is what gave and gives rise to the numerous landrace cultivars. The more chopped up The terrain, the more potential for numerous land races. For a moment think about where we find the most variety of landrace plants on Earth. Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Thailand , Columbia and Mexico. All of these countries have massive mountain ranges and innumerable valleys.
@hawkman Sounds like you probably got your stuff from Ace seeds and you wonāt have to worry so much about low inputs of nutrients. I recall using super soil for the purple Malawi and the Panama
Wowza! Youāre killing it with awesome pics.
thanks ! was the Malawi realy that strong ? Yea ! Ace seed thru Tropical Seeds Company - Ace gear can be hard to find now-a-days Do you have experience with Panama Just ordered Malawi (fems) What is/was the best genetics(landreance. heirloom,ect) that you have ever grown ? when it comes to the other strain ace offers I have no idea africa, asian,south american,ect. Great to know a cultivator that knows his Sativaās - tired of all the re-worked strains that are offered - want to get back to the ābeginningā so-to-say Do have some SAGE. Ultr,ect fromTH seeds that are at least 10yrs old Have a Blackberry from super sativa 15yrold wish I could find the seeds from Vietnam 1970-1974 !!!
Ace Malawi has PCK( Pakistan Chitral Kush) in it. Selected for Sativa flower times/ predominantly Indica effects IMO.
The Purple Malawi is a fast isolated pheno that carries the PCK colors but has a great Sativa high and moderate flowering time. Great way to get your feet wet with some landrace hybrids. I really liked the purple Malawi. Brings you to the edge of Speedy heart with a bowl full and will have your heart pumping with more. Flavors werenāt the best until the plants had cured a full year and then oh my goodness were they delicious. The transformation between months six and month 12 was incredible. Potency was really lacking when it was first picked but after a good cure it was nice and strong.
The Malawi killer is an entirely different animal and is supposed to be extremely potent with possible whiteout potency. I want to get into these but thereās so many landraces I need to grow. Been sitting on a breeders pack for 4 years.
If you are looking for landrace Malawi I have a worked version by afropips. They were easy plants to grow and if you gave them any veg time at all they would be monster yielders
I didnāt like the Ace Panama myself. I thought it was weak and boring, but donāt doubt there are fantastic plants to be found in the line. I just didnāt find one I liked. I did find a very frosty and tasty individual but it lacked any get up and go. With a 6 to 10-week flowering time the indica in this one is alive and well in my opinion.
As far as my favorite land race or heirloom it would be cryptic labs Oaxaca for the top slot. Equaling in potency would be a great Thai plant with a potent dreamy trancelike high and an excellent Vietnam Black that tasted light white grape juice and put me on my ass.
The fact is I have found nice plants in just about every landrace I have grown. Sometimes you will only find one in 10 good ones and other times good plants will come out with more consistency and I give them higher marks.
Keep in mind I normally work with landraces from the source and weak or inferior plants have not been selected out of the gene pool yet. If you get seed from someone that has done some rounds of selection first potent plants will be more consistent. As with Oaxaca
Just the opposite. No appreciable amounts of nitrogen should be used after the halfway point in flower. I use about 20 drops of calmag per gallon of water @hawkman
Did your ACE Panama have red/pink pistils? They mention on their site āThe red pheno usually has a denser and heavier effect, while the green ones provide a much cleaner and energetic experience.ā I had assumed the āRedā one meant having red/pink pistils in the flower. I have two of their Panama growing now and one has pinkish pistils just starting and the other is all white pistils which I was assuming is one of each pheno they mention.
Iām actually excited to try these as both plants are vigorous with thick stalks and really strong branching. Iām not great at explaining smells but the early flowers have a really pleasant scent and are quite sticky already.
@hawkman Are you searching for a particular effect or something adaptable to your personal outdoor/indoor enviornment?
Thanks for you very informative information ā believe you sent me some āOaxacaā (thanks for that)
Yes ! would be interested in your Malawi verison by afropips !!! (if possible) Then will run your oaxaca + afropip verson together and one more sativa dominate run ā Upstate- you sure do know your sativaās
Thinking on just doing sativasā now because long flower times are not a issues any more __Peace
@deeez99 - effects ? just staring to run sativaās - like the suggested effects and taste (terpenes, ect) Sativaās are a different animal when compared to iindicaās /hybrids ā At my old age want to get back to the strains that I expereiced many years ago -time is not a issue ā ant suggestion will be appreciated . will follow you with your endevers
I think it should show up for for you as a message but I edited that post above and gave you some info about nitrogenā¦ Donāt use a lot after the halfway Point in flower. See above
I didnāt have anything with pink pistils. I had a couple green phenotypes for sure. Pretty sure I had what would have been called a red one and it finished in 6 weeks flowering believe it or notā¦ I have a photo up on OG of my best plant, probably
way back in one of the landrace threads. I think it was the 1st picture I posted.
I was very happy with the growth and the yield and I may have been too concerned about flowering time, letting the plants go until the recommended Picking time . I would start looking to harvest around week 8 and possibly even earlier with some plants.
Iāve seen seeds not emerge till the next year I wanna say if memory sevres me right Iāve even seen a CPL old seeds out of a bunch that popped up the 2nd season after planted but sometimes itās like the soil literally eats the seed idk itās probably got something to do with humus and the microbesā¦ 
Itās always the microbes , they probably tried it in a lab with sterilized compost, pulled all the life out/ energy gotta jump start those old ones
trying to find the a good panama red --Dr,GreenThumbs has a very interesting panama (may etter that ACE) alos Roit Seeds has/has panama. looking at the geneology of Dr greenthumb panama there are just two sativaās that āmadeā it ( at presnt canāt remember the genetics - will look up again and post)
will look for it - ānā with sativaās - need to re-eduacate - believe low in veg and high rates in flower, donāt know the ammounts off hand
use ca-mag to week 7 ?"
Hey @Upstate is calmag the only thing you use for nutes after the 1/2 way point?
If youāre making seed I usually give a small dose of N just all depends really but all cultivars like a little N when they are prego
Cal mag is the only liquid nutrients I use it all. This year I used fishbone meal, chicken, alpaca and worm manure and light amounts of bat guano added in or on the soil Iāve been working with for several years now. Itās already got lots of long term nutrients in it such as bone meal, green sand, rock dust, oyster shell, soft rock phosphate and happy frog 555 or 584 dry food, which has lots of things in it. For a 20 week sativa I will give them a last top dressing 6-8 weeks before chop time using a tablespoon of chicken manure and a handful of castings. and @hawkman 15-20 drops Cal-Mag per gallon of water until a couple weeks before harvest.
Thanks - for the cal-mag aounts ā so for 20 weekers do yu top dress two xās when in flower. I top dress once in veg (week 3 ) than once in flower (week 4)
Iāve read that the Panama Red from Snowhigh was a great one but I havenāt seen that one available anywhere. Would love to try and find it someday myself to compare against the two I have from ACE.
I wish i could give a definitive answer. Iām trying to get ahead of their nutrient schedule but Iām always growing new landraces with flowering times that are often a surprise. My 14-16 week Manipur has been flowering since april 18th, for example. At day 160( 23 weeks) right now. I started to let N run out long ago and then added N out of necessity at week 16 and again a week or 2 later when i realized it would keep going and going. I just treat each plant differently. Better to underfeed than overfeed.