So you both can’t trust your mind and have to trust your mind?
you never trust your mind because it’s fallible.
You literally just said your determination of the repeatability of your tests hinges on determining “that it’s real and not in my mind”
so if you can’t trust your mind (which I agree, you can’t!) how then do you determine repeatability?
hint you can’t
That’s where the Holy Spirit plays it’s roll. When you can’t trust anything is the time to trust that little voice in your head
Yeah, ultimately the buck has to stop somewhere for everyone. I personally believe in a world governed by science but I’d also never be so arrogant as to say I’m absolutely sure of how the world works. I’m not a religious person but I’d also never ever discount the possibility of the world working in ways I may not see, believe in, or understand.
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I’m not sure why you responded to me personally… sorry if I offended you. I might continue, though. I don’t mind you believing whatever you want to believe, as long as you’re not going to try and tell me what to believe or control my actions based on your beliefs we’re good. I feel the same way about Buddhists, Satanists and Pastafarians, as well as the countless other religions out there - though I usually don’t appreciate being told that I’m going to be tortured for all of eternity because I don’t believe in any one person’s particular religion, especially since around the corner I’ll find someone else telling me the same thing about a different religion. 
I wonder if that’s what the Pope said as he was pre-emptively forgiving the knights of the Crusade for not only murder, but rape… faith is great, until all the people got involved and realized how nice it was to believe that they could be forgiven of literally anything as long as they believe. Faith can be misplaced and misused to justify atrocities - whether that’s faith in a person, science, religion, or the evidence of our senses. As long as your faith doesn’t, we’re good, and I’m fairly sure yours doesn’t. 
Just saying, it can do harm… and has, a great deal. If this is some sort of God’s plan… well, he’s got some 'splaining to do. If I’m to be tortured for all of eternity because I have trouble believing that God is a) indifferent or b) incapable enough to let people suffer in the name of religious belief, and find the lack of a God an easier answer, so be it.
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sorry I had to go and perform real world stuff like scrubbing clone machines and cooking food. As much as I love the discussion I have to go and do stuff too!
Here’s a quick demonstration of how it works and this is a real world story.
So I get these plants from buddy and they are infested with thrips, and spider mites. I have a bottle of BTK as well. No pesticides or anything, but I am determined to wipe out the infestation. First attempt, fuck it, I’ll spray some BTK on there and get some observations about what happens. I notice the thrips aren’t making more shits or chewing more leaves. ok. BTK doesn’t kill spider mites, and you can bet your ass on that. Wasn’t the first time for that test. Yet, the thrips seemed to die off. Is that real? Is it related to the BTK? Did I hallucinate the entire episode? Right, so next I’m like maybe it was all just a fever dream. I get some more BTK and I go after the onion thrips outside. No chewings on the leaves now, did it kill them off or something else? It’s pointing towards cause and effect with the evidence. Next test. Other guy has the thrips and he doesn’t know what to do. So I say kill them with BTK if you spray the entire plant and dump some in the soil they go extinct in three days. It’s the last thing buddy does after battling for months to kill them with everything including predators. Last straw, spray the BTK, I mean it costs 15$ and says it won’t kill you, right? Then the thrips died and didn’t come back when they performed the exact same actions I did to kill the thrips. I now place that in the “not a product of my mind” and recommend that shit to everyone. I know for a fact it’ll kill the thrips.
So. Using your version of “you can’t falsify reality” how are you going to make sure the thrips are being killed by the application of BTK and then bet your reputation on that fact?
This is the part in the class where we pause to reflect on if the belief in “reality can’t be falsified” has really trapped a human mind in a “personal narrative” where you can’t gain any knowledge. If that was my “tool of the human mind” instead of the philosophy of science, I would be lost. This is the point at which I know someone is definitely lost. Lost in a confusing reality that doesn’t help. I would quickly toss that philosophy in the garbage can, the outcome is assured. Complete nihilism, but not even in a good way.
I’m beginning to think some people might be on drugs 
lol, changing the goal posts much? …I guess when you couldn’t answer my questions and realized you were wrong you had to scramble to make up new rules to feed your self-importance.
I never said this was a practical way to live life. I never said this was the answer for how to get by day to day. In fact I said exactly the opposite multiple times. Anyways, peace 
I completely explained how you can determine what is real, in my story about the thrips. So you are going to defend your illogical philosophy still? Or accept that reality can be falsified?
You really didn’t though. Your story about thrips was just a strawman and had literally nothing to do with what we were talking about before 
How is my real life story about using the philosophy of science to prove what’s real, a straw man?
I like how you think!
Have you ever thought beyond existence? Beyond reality? Completely removing yourself from it.
It’s really disturbing if you think about it.
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That’s a super tough one!
In a way, at least the way I think about stuff, it’s a bit of the “if a tree falls in the forrest but no one is there to hear it” conundrum where, without an ego/mind to relate existence as it experiences it the actual existence and time itself going on outside of anyone’s perception kind of doesn’t exist… 
Ah! The Ole Brain in a vat hypothesis.
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With out our sensory system would reality still exist?
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I think, by definition, reality is inherently something that is shaped by the senses intaking it so I’d vote no on that question but, I’d be open to being convinced otherwise!