I just have a hard time squaring up what reality really is without the intake portion of it.
Maybe the mind will start creating itâs own reality within itâs self?
For all we know this reality could be a single conscious experiencing itself from different view points.
Yup! And quite honestly, the fact the mind does begin to hallucinate and create itâs own realities when put into sensory deprivation kind of points to that!
You forgot about objective reality. The tree falls and makes a noise, just nobody hears it. Much like the unseen photon still travels through space.
According to the double slit experiment, if a tree falls in the woods and there is no one to hear it, there is no tree.
In short, without a conscious observer, the world doesnât exist as anything but possibilities.
edit to add: This world is too weird for me to claim to have it figured out, so ⌠I have current theories only haha.
Can you test whether the tree falls and makes a noise without observing it in any way, i.e. hearing it? Using technology to record it and hear it doesnât count. If you canât test it, it isnât real, right? At that point, youâre just going on a belief that objective reality continues without you aroundâŚ
That being said, a tree never falls in the forest without anyone around to hear it, so this argument is a strawman. Without humans around to hear it? All the time⌠but with no life forms around at all? I donât think so. Just because we donât listen to what the animals, insects and even plant life are telling us doesnât mean they donât observe it and try to tell us - just that we canât or wonât listen.
naw man, you can do a test where you take a different tree and listen to it fall then gather the evidence as to if the tree had actually fallen as opposed to being gently laid on the ground. Since thing are repeatable, you can be assured of the outcome.
To assume that the universe came into being the instant a conscious mind saw it would mean I could claim the universe came into being last Thursday with everything you see created magically including your memories, just last Thursday and itâll be recycled again the next Thursday and re-created.
So that gives you no basis for reality again, and predicts nothing, so itâs completely useless, like a classic nihilist philosophy.
a) Youâre still testing by listening to a tree fall. How do you know that tree would make a noise if you werenât observing it? This is an infinite loop.
b) How do you know things are repeatable? If the answer is by testing⌠how do you know your observation of the test isnât skewing the answers, Heisenberg? The answer is belief.
yah this is the thing though right? Itâs all about evidence and observation, because as humans we are exploring and seeing what is real. If you remove the human mind from the equation, nobody is testing reality and figuring things out anyways.
The most fascinating part is the delayed observation. Quantum reality!
How do you know weâre not being used as batteries, having our sensory inputs manipulated by machines that we programmed but have since revolted against us and taken over society? Now, they sit and laugh and laugh and laugh as we, in our VR playpen, watch the Matrix and tell ourselves weâll win if it ever happens⌠well, thereâs no way to know other than citing Russellâs teapot and telling me the burden of proof is on me since Iâm telling you something unverifiable. This is why Wittgenstein gave up and told everyone to go to hell in On Certainty. And in essence, he was just a little bit ahead of his time⌠quantum mechanics has since told everyone to go to hell by teleporting there through manipulation of pond scum, after all.
heh heh that would be using your imagination, itâs not based on any observation
Itâs based on my observation of the Matrix!
Its up to your faith. Funny that those who know the answer is NO, arenât content with that, and try to influence others to their side with as much fervor as the Sunday morning salespeople. I never understood what religion or science has to do with an afterlife⌠And the cat in a boxâŚif the box has holes and something moving its alive. if the box is a coffin, its dead. Either way schrodinger is a twisted fuck whoâŚIF he attempted that dead cat in a box trick, In my house, he would be severely beaten to the point of asking him. âIs your job at Petsmart dead?â. LOL
Itâs just a thought experiment, no cats were harmed in the making of such. IF you want you could think about it like this⌠sort of⌠You phone your grandma and tell her youâll be over in 2 hours. Gran gran canât track your cell phone or anything, so the way she figures is you have entered a state where you are both arriving at her house in 2 hours, but also not arriving in two hours. Until you finally knock on the door two hours later and her reality collapses into one possibility thatâs 100% - you arrived at her door 2 hours later. I know in the cat in the box thought, it uses randomness with radioactive isotopes to poison the cat, but you could consider the chaos of real life to be that ârandomnessâ that keeps you from arriving at grannys on time.
Alternatively, in 119 minutes we hook âgran granâ up to a mind control device that sends her stimulation she believes is you arriving at her house but then the man running the simulation device dies and there literally isnât a soul alive who knows if you actually arrived or if âgran granâ is just hallucinating from the VR
Get back to me when you can come up with a way to actually falsify or confirm anything
oh hey you are back so you are still admitting your reality canât be falsified?
just waiting to see if you ever answer my question!
you are asking if reality can be falsified?
ok even though you already said gran gran was put into a vr and doesnât know it. Reality will clap back when gran gran dies. Is that objective enough?