You’re mixing up stories again.
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Maybe , depends on who’s version of the past you read. That’s the only point I’m trying to make is there is no absolute matching consensus and there are a lot of possible reasons for that.
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Toss in the Hawaiian horse shit story, too.
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What’s the Hawaii story?
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Some dude had a elaborate back story to how it came from his family on the island or something like that ,
It comes from Matt and Josh , everybody I know who was involved with the kush aka og kush nugs in Southern California in the early days all agree , Matt and Josh , it’s definetly from them so what we have is what they say, it’s been speculated about and discussed for so long there are several different stories some speak as fact. Some will say it’s this or that but beyond the story Marty tells there is not much else that can be discovered.
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It was never officially stated though and since he regarded to his own NL2 as Hindu Kush it could very well be that too.
Seedfinder for example says NL#2 isn’t a reliable source though.
But I personally tend to believe it’s Kush4 x NL2F4 too [mixed up the F numbers]. Although the catalogue description makes me think NL2.
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It gave me the envy to get back some Kushy stuff someday ^^
Mostly the NL#2 theory i must admit lol
Im pretty sure im chasing the same hashplant. I got her around 2001 and left AB to move back to the island(NL) in 2003 and brought her along. She lasted another 7 years before getting too weak to keep running. There was 2 common ones at the time being a real dark green one and a lime green colored one. i had the lime green one. Flavor and potency were unforgettable. Cheers TheNEWF!
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He BX’ed the best NL2,F2 Female back to an NL2,F1 male, then inbred the progeny down to NL2,F3. The KushxKush (Kush4 x NL2,F4) was never BX’ed back to NL2.
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Are you sure about that because the catalog only speaks about a Backcross to the elite cuttings of the year before. No F/M mentioned.
In the 1986 catalog there were also no Hybrids with a northern lights #2 male, they were first introduced in the 1987 catalog.
However in a MrNice post he speaks about „the NL2 male“.
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There literally is no conformation about Hindu being K4 x NL2. And I do know the posts.
Still (for me) the description sounds more like NL2 than K4 x NL2.
Riot for example states that Nevil said „that’s my nl2“ when he saw OG.
None the less if Marty bought seeds in
1989 he might bought Kush x Kush and confused it with Hindu Kush.
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ya I find it really odd that the hashplant I remember is not still out there somewhere. Arguably some of the best smoke I remember from the 90’s in the BC lowermainland scene. It came to me by way of biker affiliates who did huge rooms on farm properties in the Langley /Surrey area. I ran trim crews back then and too the hashplant clone as part of payment. It came with strict conditions that i could not share the clone nor sell the flower. Personal stash only and in fact I lost a couple good friends who just couldn’t understand that once I gave my word to the folks who gave me the clone, I simply could not share it. In the end that was the demise of that plant in my garden. Lost to time.
It was a fat leafed, red petiole, dark green leaves with a waxy sheen. It needed support as it’s branches were not the strongest. It cloned well but it never yielded well and it went to mold everytime we tried to grow it outdoor. I kinda have it in my mind to call it a dwarf indica. Very complex flavors of fine afghan hashish and an exhale with what to me was a deep sandalwood type incense. I could go on about that plant but like I say it seems lost to time. I often wonder if any of the known named breeders in the late 90;s and into the 2000’s were able to get that plant and do work with it. None of the Canadian breeders or clone holders that I know of have talked about it so I really don’t know. I find it odd that the Lime green hash plant, the champagne and a few others have stood the test of time but that hashplant did not? Was the biker lockdown on that line so tight that it never got shared and preserved?? These are things I ponder. LOL Like the disapearance of the old BC Skunk clone… it’s really odd that it isn;t still held somewhere by some 70 sumthin year old grower out there minding his own business hehe
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Could just be nl2 dominant 
But that’s the thing with Marty’s story, there wasn’t a Hindu Kush in the 89 catalog at the seedbank. There were only nl2 f3 and kush x kush. Sensi seeds sold Kush x kush as Hindu Kush. There is no other option there. Inbred kush line, that’s the only inbred kush line from Nevil. But Sensi seeds didn’t open until 2 years later in 1991.
So either Nevil was selling it at the castle already named Hindu Kush but neglected to name it so in any of TSB catalogs? Or Marty got confused? Or Marty made it up/is obfuscating the true lineage
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Something these stories never mention is the scope of the Industry.
The stories always involve just a couple people, and just a small grow in someone’s garage.
No warehouses, underground grows, airstrips, military/veterans/agencies, etc.
It’s like BOEL’s movie Endless Summer.
Watch the movie and the narrator serenades you, saying this is merely a few surfers who are continent-hopping to find the great wave, as they frolick around on 1-foot waves.
When the truth is that they shot film merely as a cover story because they were using film canisters to smuggle hash and seeds past customs, then set up hash factories in Afghanistan and other countries then used surfboard and car sales to smuggle the hash back to USA.
All the cute stories we get to hear are them surfing on 1-ft waves in Cape Town.
Nobody’s talking about Air America, black sites, case officers, breeding on or near military basses… If you look at what the OSS/CIA was using before they bought the latent for LSD, it was cannabis and mescaline. And black ops are funded by civil asset forfeiture. And cannabis was more common than heroin. So, yeah. That 70yr old farmer out there somewhere with strains others forgot has some pretty cool stories he never tells.
Ive seen Hightimes print a picture of Kris Kristofferson playing the guitar, but never print a picture of him flying a plane back from the Golden Triangle to NorCal.
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I agree…
Like others great strains, haze, skunk, eccetera, the real perpetrators remain (and will probably remain) in the shadows, those who we now consider “big protagonists” are often marginal figures, who willingly took on the responsibility, the fame (and often the trouble) of what happened…
(any reference to people is purely coincidental lol)
I remember listening to old Hippies tell of seeds imported from the countries touched by the Hippie Trail, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nepal, India, and subsequently mixed with what they had, Mexican and Colombian, I don’t think those mixtures have disappeared, they probably evolved in more or less appreciated varieties (or why not, unknown to most of us)
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But Kush x Kush is not an inbred Line, it’s a F1 Hybrid.
Northern Lights #2 is / was nevils inbred Kush line, as far as my understanding goes.
The 89 Catalog states „remarkable pure Hindu Kush Type“ in the Northern Lights #2 Description. It also states „inbreeding and backcrossing“.
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In the second screenshot I posted he says he didn’t even know what kush was until he grew out the Kush4 and crossed it to nl2. It was the kush4 that made him realize nl2 was a kush type plant. Makes sense to me. Why rename NL2 to Hindu Kush? That’s not his style… it has to be the hybrid.
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