Does anyone here have any idea where I could find Oldtimer1’s Smile beans anywhere?I know it’s a long shot but I’ve heard good things about that one.If anyone could point me in the right direction I’d be very greatful.Been meaning to get that one in the medicine chest for times in a funk.
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Bob H at crickets & cicada’s may know: he’s the only one I’ve heard drop his name… 
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I think underground org
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I was just talking to a guy that has Smile x UK Cheese, I thought that was kind of interesting. @CapnCannabis
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BlueSkiesVienna …LOL
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Not in a million years that guy is a con artist with his buddy there on the Skunkfam podcast.Here hey man I’ve got that real roadkill skunk it’s in there buy my beans,what’s that you still haven’t found it?Its in there you just have to F2 them,What you still haven’t found it yet?What you have to do is F3 them then you cube your genetics and narrow down your search then you will find the real skunk …….
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Im not sure how people fall for that skunk talk from blueskies and pay those crazy prices for those seeds. As far as i know he dont sell anything with the label “skunk seeds” on it, an if he has started doing that he is blatantly renaming stuff. All he has is a batch of seeds that come out of a mix open polination of a mixture of oldtimers genetics with some tom hill haze thrown in there too and maybe some other bits and pieces. Not sure how anyone could undo the amount of genetics that were mixed in the open polination to get to what he claims to be oldtimers skunk. His claims of having oldtimers skunk are not true, well he does have it but its mixed up in the mix soup and that mix soup he does really have.
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Oltimer has passed (RIP) on so unless someone does a repro of Smile… I’m not even 100% Smile was his. It might have been the other Underground Originals breeder -VRG. You could hit him up on uk420 and ask. Lots of growers there will have smile but site rules don’t allow trading. But sometimes the site itself does giveaways when you sign up to be a member and you might be able to request Smile as the freebie beans if you sign up. Long winded way to try and get the beans but for those dedicated…
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Irc Oldtimer sold smile though ugorg for a while I. His own white packets saying limited edition far as I know ugorg didn’t release smile it was oldtimer who did. There have been some other bx from time to time. Turnspit genetics has the Celia line which was mother to smile irc, also has the seeds for the original drop . I have smile bx2 that someone else made and I may make some seeds with them.
Here’s what the person who has Celia from Oldtimer says
Yes! They are definitely coming! Its currently a work in progress - The Camden Poison male was unfortunately lost, so Smile can never be made exactly the same ever again. Myself and [@oldtimer1] were planning to collaborate on a project together using Celia (mother of smile) but unfortunately the project got shelved because life and shit happens, fortunately OT1 is one of the most kind, thoughtful and helpful persons I’ve ever known, let alone to grace cannabis, and he kindly gifted me a copy of Celia and told me to crack on! Beyond humbled!
Smile being one of my favourite smokes of all time, and having had a pack in the fridge for ages waiting for the right moment, it felt like the best course of action to really capture that special high was to back cross Smile to Celia, where it comes from. I am using all the Smile males I have and crossing them to Celia, in an attempt to capture everything and not lose any genes that might have contributed to making Smile special, it means its a one shot and done - it can be made similar again but not exactly the same - I’ve been calling the project Smile V2.
Take care and keep well
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Glad I came here. Followed blueskies on IG for a few months. The obnoxious marketing, saying we all suck and don’t know anything and have crappy strains but get his seeds, they’re the best!
Kinda saw through, kept around in case I was wrong. My suspicions weren’t far off.
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That BSV is on a podcast called Skunk fam that’s hosted by another little douchebag old school chronic .What caught me is what he was pushing on Skunkman Sam as the snitch in the Neville case but it’s public knowledge that the real snitch name was in the Avidavit itself if you read it.I’m not going to mention his name he has a lawyer of his harass anyone who drops his name but let’s just say he’s selling fertilizer in Detroit Michigan for growstores.The skunkfam guy dropped in on a future cannabis project episode on Catpiss to talk about Catpiss but sidetracked the conversation to try and peddle BSV seeds and was basically shilling BSV gear.BSV has the same rant and no one is buying his garbage people caught on.He has this like line he regurgitates it over and over ,oh what’s that didn’t find the skunk you have to f2 it to get it to come out what’s that you still didn’t find any skunk only got sweet candy smells?Well you see you don’t know what your doing you have to really F3 it to narrow down your search and you will find the skunk.No thank you mr Con man
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I know this post is a bit old now but did you ever manage to find some Smile seeds?
I managed to get a pack amongst others on the forum from Oldtimer in 2008 when he first released them. Not sure if you know but Smile is the result of a cross of Celia x Camden Poison. Camden Poison sadly was lost not long after so they’ll never technically be another cross possible.
I grew some of the smile out and loved it at the time and documented it on UK420.
A few years ago whilst moving I found the rest of the seeds, been quite a few years old I wasn’t hopeful that they would germinate. One did but it was a male, was short, stocky and a nice deep blueberry smell.
I already had and still do have quite a few Celia seeds and mothers so I crossed the Smile male back to my best Celia I had. I’m currently in the process of growing these seeds and have called them CS#1 #2, #3 and #4.
As mentioned above Oldtimer is sadly no longer with us but before he passed a lot of his Celia and I believe some Smile stick was gifted to a forum member who also owns Turnspit Genetics and he’s currently in the middle of a big project with them so may be worth seeing what comes out of that.
Hope that’s gives you a bit of direction.
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Did not find any closest thing i have to anything OT1 is his ESB line from Fluer De Mal seeds curated By Baudilaire.This shines a beacon on things and points me into a different direction i will take you words to heart and carry on my quest.Thank you Friend your very Kind good luck on your grows may your garden be Bountiful .-
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I ran the last 5 of Syrups, Celia Bx1’s a while back, last year maybe.
3 females, and 2 males.
Once the males dropped pollen, I collected some from both, and painted some branches on the females.
Also a few branches of the Original Haze plants and the only OT1 haze, I had growing also.
Those are knock offs, from SoCal Seed Vault as the beans were cheap, but we love the buds.
Since I’ve never made seeds, and they are nestled in my smoking bud, I’m not just prying them out, they come out as we smoke the bud, and are saved.
I still have a few ESB’s to run, maybe I’ll find a male in there, that would be cool.
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I enjoyed ESB very much that was such a different smoke compared to all the new stuff we have now.If grown properly that plant makes some very cerebral and surreal smoke.I got lost for 2 min watching the swirls in the smoke dance around the light that was from my very first cloud i let out on exhale from there on it came on like a roller coaster in waves that made me go inside and sit down for awhile and listen to the wind blow and my old house breath and creek with it ,High was very intense but coasted well and had a very pleasant let down with the munchies 
Highly Highly recommend for anyone that can appreciate Some very well crafted Older plants.Martin Had an eye like an artist whos pallet was weaving Cannabis Genetics i could Imagine his regular garden was thriving and amazing i only wish i had half the skills in Gardening and plant breeding that man had.
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Awesome write up CC!!
I also found the ESB to have a special buzz, more dreamy, than just high.
The blueberry, was also very strong, in ours.
I think more so than other blueberry strains I’ve grown out, not saying it’s the best, as we love to find a unique taste, over a knock out punch.
As I smoke Syrups, Celia BX1, I’m getting ready to pick through the small amount of seeded buds, and see what I can find.
Syrup, really nailed a special taste, and aroma for Celia Bx1, and her high is much on par with ESB, but they are different also, making both breeders work shine through with brilliance, for us.
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Yeah I’ve looked at the ESB from Flur de mal a few times, I’ve got an old Bubblegum which is a beautiful smoke but not a big yielded and it stretches but as I say the smoke is nice and that’s why I keep it.
Definitely keep an eye on the forum because it wasn’t that long ago they were some F2 Smiles up for grabs lm it was a guy called ‘Rat Dog’ but I could be wrong on that.
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Definitely Syrup has the best of the Celia without a doubt and looking forward to what he does with them.
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If you give the plants a bit more blue spectrum in the flowering it seems to change the effects again to more of a trippy experience. Add a MH or similar and see for yourself…
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The ESB has a tendency to herm ferociously if you add too much blue light to the spectrum.If you go on Cannabase.Org and sift through the old 90s internet pages OT1 talks about it in there.That site is a goldmine for forgotten info on cannabis cultivation still one of my favorite sites of all time.
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