Thank you very much. Hope you have a great weekend bud.
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What about sugar cube crossed to ice cream cake?
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Were they made by BTS (Jimmy)?
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I’ll dm you
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Sour Diesel Project Flowering Day 42:
This is one of my favorite expressions. Top Dawg Sour Diesel BX4 #9. It smells like a Sour OG. It also has an almost OG structure as well. Smells strongly of the Pine and Rubber. Other smells are lemon and gas.
Reminds me of Old School OG Kush.
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90’s Seeds Project:
Spoke with Mr.Nice about the seeds. Essentially they are black widow family or early crosses made that strains like White Rhino were hunted from. I have 2 of these crosses, 50 seeds each. I germinated 12 with only tap water for my initial test.
I did the swap in the fridge and only acclimated the 12 seeds.
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Sour Diesel Project Sour Diesel 05-06’ Expression Log:
I have been doing research on “Sour Diesel” for a long time.
My plan is to match up which structurally and otherwise to the Original Diesel Cut given to Rezdog by Chemdog. These are the photos I took and my reference data Feb. 2005. The seeds from the expressions that relate will be marked specifically and will those tested among my personal favorite expressions progeny.
Day 45 Smokey 2005-
Day 50 Smokey 2005-
Day 56 Smokey 2005-
Rezdog’s Seed Variety-
Here is a variant (Below) of a seed line from Rez. You can clearly see the influence from Somas NYC Diesel. If you look at my pictures of Mexican to see the similarities in bract structure when soma’s NYC is a Mexican Cross. That selection was made to increase yield. Those expressions I will avoid. Imo many of today’s clone variety share this stretched bract structure that was common in Rezdog’s progeny.
Here is an ECSD from OG Raskal Oct 2006.
And Rez 2006 photos:
Here is the terp description in 2005 day 45:
These are all the same cut or ECSD. IMO the original Sour Diesel. Rez recieved his cut from Chemdog and I will list an article below that Chemdog states that all current monikers AJ, ECSD and are all the same cut. Chemdog cut given to Rezdog came directly from AJ.
https://hightimes.com/grow/25-years-of-chem-dog/amp/
I do not believe the modern AJ being circulated is a legit cut of the Original Sour Diesel for this reason. In none of these photos do any of them show variegation like the modern AJ or Top Dawgs BX progeny.
I will make my non-personal selections mainly based of 05-06’ references moving forward. Smokey, Rezdog, & OG Raskal references specifically.
After I Reveg the plants all plants except the keepers will be retied together in bundles to decrease plant count for the Stonefarms IBL.
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Sour Diesel Project Flowering Day 48:
Intersex Inspection & Expression Profiles
These are my favorites of the entire run so far. All expressions stable. If they do not have smell descriptions it was due to burnout. I’ll prioritize soon.
Will waiting to decide keepers till very last moment but these some profiles as example of comparisons to logged photos near times. Full update soon.
Katsu Double Dose Diesel #1-
The yielder of the bunch. Has a fruity smell. The influence of the NYC likely. Will not use for my diesel project but will save the seeds. Some people enjoy Soma’s.
Karma/Sowahh #10-
Structure wise one of the closest to the 05’ variety.
Top Dawg/ Sour Diesel BX4-
Variegated- Smells of Sour rotten pineapples.
Top Dawg/Sour Diesel BX4 #5 Sour OG expression
Here is a photo for comparison. Labeled 6 in photos. Not much for lore anymore but I grew up in Southern California (Azusa). This is how I remember OG when I started out.
Old School/ Old Red Sour #2-
This stuff is Zkittlez. It smells exactly like it. Not sour all candy.
Black Widow Project /90’s Widow Family Project:
At this point none have germinated. I will now break down germination attempts into a few home project before switching to more scientific methods like cultures. I will use a total of 30-35 seeds in these initial test.
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Strayfox’s Method- The 12 seeds that had attempted were transferred to this method. I will try another small amount with this method more methodically.
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Worm Castings- JohnnyPotseeds version. Thank you GPaw.
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Sterilization styles-
- Using a homemade glovebox and use solution for germination prior to removal of casing 24-48 hrs. Then I will manually crack with sterile razor careful not to damage embryo and then germinate in a pasteurized starting media with regulated microbes added.
- I will attempt some that I will use a scalpel a small vice to separate prior to germination in a sterilized solution. I will do this in glovebox cleaning seed in a wash before removing casing then germinate to sterilized solution.
- New seed water- I’ll add a large amount of fresh seeds that have had a h202 soak then after they germinate I will use that water to germinate the old seeds. I’ll find article and add.
Note- I’m going to be adding a lengthy post of new grow build specs and nutrient regimen. It is a personal side note so a scroll pass is recommended.
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90’s Baby. Forums half my life.
Swim- Someone Who Isn’t Me.
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I pulled my first mature sour diesel seed today. 17 days would put me at 10 weeks then I’ll start revegging.
Reveg -or- Regeneration during Seed Production:
Considered Re-Vegging plants sooner but I don’t want to adversely affect the seeds and am unsure what that much stress would do on any level not enough information available. I will begin revegging when I have a majority rippened which I’m expecting in the 17 day timeframe. Harvesting 80% total mass from each plant(50-60% for keepers), did not defoliate or such for this purpose. Either way I’ll test the seeds I pull from the remaining 40% of pollinated mass that is Revegged and do a stability/intersex test
I’m preparing the previously listed project. I’m restructuring the way I prepare my journal to be more informative and sectionally useful for data as well.
I have some emails piling up. I will get to them soon. I’m a bit anti-social at times so I apologize.
Seed Search List:
- Longbottom Leaf- MotaRebel or Lorans
- Fire Alien Romulan- OG Raskal
- Panama Red Death- Useful
- Sugar Cube- Beyond Top Shelf
- Dankonomics- Ultimate Banana Kush/IBL
Seed Vault
Will share the seed vault build soon
“Pheno Hunt” Gear:
Jaws Multi Pack Hunt-
Weaving Genetics- Fire Breathing Alien
Fire Alien Romulan (Brazen Earthworx/OG Raskal) x Meatbreath (Thugpug)
Gravedigger Seeds-
Snow- IBL created with Chemdog’s original cut. Outcross was Apollo 13 original release.
Blue- Blueberry IBL created using original Blueberry from DJ Short and an original blueberry release.
Wicked Barbie/Wicked Queen- Original release C99 hybrids.
Personally Made Seedstock:
(Haven’t collected Sour seeds yet)
Mystery Sour = Top Dawg Sour Diesel BX4, Karma Sowahh, Piffcoast Upstate Sour Males
(Will record male plant was bundled with if so.)
AJ Sour Diesel x Mystery Sour
(Bruce Banner x Sour Diesel) x Mystery Sour
Katsu- Double Dose Diesel x Mystery Sour
Old School- Old Red Sour x Mystery Sour
Top Dawg- Midtown Madness B x Mystery Sour
Piffcoast- Upstate Sour x Mystery Sour
Top Dawg- Sour Diesel BX4 x Mystery Sour
Mendo Breath F3 (D’s Mendo) x Mexican
Purple Urkle (SoCal) x Mexican
Super Lemon Haze (Franco’s) x Mexican
Chimera 2 (Beleaf) x Mexican
Ghost OG (OrgnKid) x Mexican
Stardawg (Guava/Corey) x Mexican
Midtown Madness B x Mexican
Tropicana Cherry #8 (Relentless) x Mexican
Mexican x Mexican
(Normally “F2” but these plants have been incrossing for generations in an open pollination way based off how cannabis is grown in Mexico.)
Mexican = “Reggie”
Long flowering Sativa 20 (+/-) weeks~
Smells- Rotten fruit, Woody Incense, Skunky.
Breeding Projects:
I removed my haze project and others for the foreseeable future. Just off these and preservation runs will be my focus for some time.
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All projects are based off me finding variants that remind me of “back in the day” strains. Except Lorans Longbottom Leaf, that is an homage.
OG Kush Project
Sour Diesel Project
Banana Project
Longbottom Leaf Remix Project
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Sour Dubb Remix Project
The White
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All I can say is Wow!
Glad I found this journey your on and will be following along. Great work all around brother.
Grundle
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Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
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Here are the smell reports done by me and my lady on the starred. She’s a hasn’t smoked in 2 years. I only added the keepers a breeders. There will be two more reports. One at harvest time and a post-cure report. Plants that do not make the cut by the cure report will be dropped completely before the Stonefarm Open.
I’m looking for; Sour/Citric, Rubber/Acid “Tennis Ball Smell”, Gas/Fuel “High Grade”.
44 Plants- 29:Female/15 Males
Flwr- Will be in next Flower /Medical Run
Midtown Madness B- (Star/Circle/Keep) Flwr
- Sour, Fuel (High-grade smell), New Tennis balls. (This is from my previous post cure report)
It’s a good diesel keeper but it needs work. Structure wise it basically needs a scrog or the plant is a mess. It also self purples unlike the A (lost) which I’m not a fan of, highlights only but still.
Top Dawg Sour Diesel BX4 #7 is Circled.
Karma Sowahh #10 (Star/Circle/Meep) Flwr
(My closest in Smell. At this point my Top Diesel Keeper from run.)
- Menthol, Rubber, Sour
“Smells clean like it clears the lungs.”
Piffcoast Upstate Sour #4 (Star/Circle)
- Skunky, Sour, Acrid Rubber.
Structure wise it is okay but I do like the more skunky/rubber smells. Heavier on the diesel side.
Top Dawg #6 Sour Diesel BX4 (Star/Keep) Flwr
(It is #6 not #9)
- Classic High-grade smell with an acrid rubber. Developing the rotten fruity smell of a few relative expression that is starting to mesh with the sour smell. Beautiful plants, structure, and trichome production are excellent.
Old School Old Red Sour #1 (Star) Flwr
- A self topping mutant. The macro trichome shot below (non seed showing) is this plant. The smell are so strong sour fruity that it makes smelling any plant afterwards difficult. If I can regenerate then deal with the mutation with hormone manipulation and light intensity. If she can be managed her I’d love to make her a keeper if not it isn’t worth it. All Old Reds are fruity.
Karma #5 (Star/Circle)
- Sour, Rubber, Fuel (High-Grade)
Circles- Use in project further (Meet some criteria from old reference data or personal nostalgia.)
Stars- Personal Favorites (May not be Sour D reasons.)
Star w/ Line- Personal picks and diesel like.
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Amazing diesel project. Congrats buddy. They’re in there in number, just have to be found now.
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Wow…unusual sigh! Such a big gap between buds, but alot of buds. Well done!
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Thank you Beebud. Your Sowahh is looking very nice. What type of smells are you getting off her?
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Impressive 
I really enjoy your organization and detail! Bravo! 
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Thanks buddy. Still curing, key descrips: Danky sour, fuelish, high pitched cleaner, chemmy… different variants of … there’s 2 that tic all those boxes pretty well, so we’ll see. All work saved.
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Very nice bud. Looking forward to you final review. I will send you whatever you’d like when this is done:
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