“Releiving the server CPU”, its clear for me …
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Just tried to edit my post but it’s not allowed in slow mode. Now it’s an empty post.
You’ve completely missed my point mate.
Bandwidth was mentioned in this thread.
And photo/server space here.
It would have been nice to see some reassurance that everyone is valued equally regardless of subscription status.
Ok, I’m out of this thread, you guys do what you want, as I’m sure you will and should. I’m not going to alienate myself here more than I already have.
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I hope we get more supporters Joe. I love this space. Do what u gotta do to keep the lights on mate. 
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CPU is not the same as bandwidth.
The quote “quicker uploads for users with low bandwidth, relieving the server CPU” is listing two separate benefits of keeping certain things on the client side (user’s machine instead of server).
Full quote:
So no, I do not think LJ was ever talking about limiting bandwidth.
The opposite.
He was talking about site optimizations that can benefit users who have low bandwidth for their internet connection.
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@Igor You have no worries !!! The reason why there is so many new members joining is because the longer term members have created a special place. I believe the new members contribute because it’s the one thing they can do to show respect to the original members. There contributions are to keep the OG Spirit alive and well. I don’t believe anybody wants anything to change. Also, don’t believe anybody wants any members to be treated differently for any sort of financial reasons or any reasons at all. Hopefully, you understand my point is these new members want nothing more than to be part of this special place you’ll have created and contribute as they can. New growers don’t have seeds to share but they win seeds and contributing only makes sense to most of us especially if we can’t offer help or seeds ect. In return they offer all they can often times a financial contribution to help give back. Just remember with all these new members It’s really a tip of the hat to all the guys and gals making this place special. Cheers !!!
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If you quote me, please do it correctly.
That is not a complete quotation. This one is:
@Igor, you’re simply twisting the meaning of my words.
Exactly, @emeraldbullfrog .
@Igor to address your original claim.
No, I don’t think I missed the point.
I am not aware that in my recommendations regarding uploading photos, I have also sent a message that someone is unwelcome.
According to you, I’m using pretexts to cover up the main goal, which is supposed to be solely financial gain.
It’s difficult to argue against assumptions because, unlike facts, they are subjective.
The claim that if someone financially supports our site, they will contribute less content is, from my point of view, irrational.
And similarly, it is absurd to claim that I would be willing to tolerate someone violating the forum rules just because of financial gain. It would turn quickly against me. The ToS are widely recognized and are here for everyone’s benefit.
The more serious the accusation, the more solid the evidence should be, don’t you think?
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I’ve been having other ideas, nothing fancy though:
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Advertising OG in real word cannabis events in some ways. That would maybe bring a bit more people here, possibly more incomes in auctions and patreon. Not meaning having a booth (expensive), but could be for example local OGers throwing an OG support party in some cool bar or something, with the announced goal to raise money. There could be some real life auctions or funny random giveaways. Distribute flyers and stickers, put them everywhere. Maybe even someone is ready to share a corner of their booth for OG promotion? For people that can’t donate that would be a way to support. I’d probably enjoy doing that if I lived in a legal state.
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Backup incomes with a seedbank business. After all that’s one of the most used model, even by OG v1
It may clash a bit with the auction though. But there are multiple ways to get seeds. And this could be articulated with the real world event point above (like auctions).- maybe co-op runners could be invited to donate some of the seeds to this seedbank in support of OG if they will? This seeds would be released after they’ve been distributed through the co-op.
- maybe some sponsors would gladly give some seeds?
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Now sure LJ isn’t trying to get more time, to end up running a seedbank and have no time for OG infra 
But there’s some experience around in building a cheap, discrete and distributed seed mailing infra. Shouldn’t be a problem to find trusted people willing to help. Or maybe a seedbank sponsor could help.
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I am speaking of general effects: big sized pics take bandwith, server space and stress the CPU while having to process them to convert them to a smaller size, that’s a fact. Pics are the gems of this forum and people having clear the allowed size to avoid being converted and that size big enough to have a good resolution would be a good investment …
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There is no relation between size of pics and CPU load.
But you are correct that usually with CDNs they are priced based on space occupied and bandwidth.
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So how do we new comers ask for seeds without getting booted off of here cause that’s what I got told so now I buy auction sales etc i dont want booted from OG or do we just hope we win these DRAWINGS etc
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From my experience… I kept a grow log and made seeds in my garden. Then, I offered those seeds for share/trade by posting or responding to posts. In about half of the free seed shares I post, the recipient sends something back to me, and there is no expectation of this if I posted a free share.
On 100% of the agreed upon trades, the other trader has fulfilled the trade, and in many cases they included extra. Generally, trades were with members that appeared to have established good rep and maintain a grow log. Over time, I’ve had more shares with some members that I got to know better. Nearly all trades have been using seeds made in my in own garden.
Also, follow the co-op grows and getting on the wikis when they post.
For me, the biggest thing is making your own seeds, offering them for share/trade, and posting your own giveaway wikis. When I win someone else’s wiki, I always offer to send them something from my garden.
Good luck!
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I think it’s the unsolicited requests for seeds that will get you kicked off. If you ask people if you can message them first you should be ok. Not saying that they will give you seeds, just that you shouldn’t be kicked off of OG
I agree with @Tracker on the rest of it. You’ll just have to make trades and win contests until you’ve built some relationships with people
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Can you elaborate on the circumstances? As someone who gives out a ton of seeds and has been here a while, I have seen most situations. We get new people that come here and start PMing members asking for seeds. This is against the TOS of the site and can get you booted although is more likely to get you a conversation with a MOD that has a warning for you. I don’t see MOD’s just booting folks without giving them the opportunity to correct behavior first. They tend to be much more fair than this here. It’s also quite rude according to how I was raised. Simply joining OG and then sending private messages asking strangers for seeds is just not cool IMO. We also get some that join OG and start trying to pick up seeds like they are a vacuum cleaner. This sets off red flags for many as most cannot grow anywhere near that many seeds. So it makes a person wonder why someone would ask for so much that they cannot make use of. Folks around here are pretty generous and like to share seeds with others that will grow them. Most times on the donors dime. Those people can wonder whey they are spending money just to transfer their seed collections to others fridges.
A couple of tips I would give to new people would be to one, keep things in public. Ask in the public thread where you gained interest in something if it’s ok to PM a person. Then you are not sending unsolicited PM’s and not breaking the TOS of the site. Another thing would be to just make your request in a public thread. That also makes things more transparent. There is nothing wrong with asking for seeds in the free seeds thread, especially if you see something you really want. Another thing I think goes a long way is to not just ask everyone for seeds you have no plans to grow any time soon. Go for quality over quantity. This avoids some looking a a new member as greedy. If you see something you really want, ask for it in public. Most times you will get what you want due to the generous nature of OG members. Then grow those seeds and post about the grow. This shows members you wanted the seeds to grow and not just to store or sell.
I have never in my time on OG seen anyone booted just for asking for seeds. But have seen a number of bad actors come and go with not so good intentions. They treat OG like a free seedbank instead of a sharing community and those people normally end up not being seen in a bad light. If one sticks around, participates and get’s to know the members of the community they tend to end up with more seeds then they can grow and find just how generous the people here can be. I know, kind of long winded but still, I feel good advice for not only new members but for all. 
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No of course this was GREAT ADVICE thank u @DougDawson much appreciated
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For any large jump in site income, there will need to be seed sales imho(maybe I’m bias because thats what I want). It could be huge, for the site, and the people making seeds. It sounds like stainly has really dropped the ball, so where do small scale breeders turn? Maybe even letting a sponsor do it and carry members seeds so joe doesn’t have to do a thing(is that currently against the rules?). Something like $4 a seed, $1 to the site, $1 to the sponsor, and $2 to the breeder. How many reasonably priced seeds would pass thru that gate every year? Thats how many dollars joe would pocket to quit his job. And everything grows with time. If it got big enough, it could even drive the price of seed down, and bring new members who shop seeds but haven’t “forumed” yet.
If you want to overgrow the world, drive the seed price down, and help the people making seeds 
Free seeds are great and honorable, but running proper pheno hunts, and countless breeding dead ends cost money to make something truly marketable, and then you still have to have a name/website ect.
Currently, there are rich people paying others next to nothing to make their overpriced seeds, and sitting back collecting their revenue, leaving us stuck buying expensive junk. Then there are 6 plant pollen chucks for free traded seeds. Where does the middle class breeder go? It could be here, detributing good seed at an honest price, while helping the site. Again, I’m bias, but I devote every dollar to this passion, and make zero money. Its hard.
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I could be wrong, but I dont think Joe wants to be so directly involved/implicated in seed sales like that. Currently, sponsors pay some fee and are allowed to advertise their seeds. I don’t see how this approach is substantially different monetarily.
The co-ops are generally open pollinations of well known seeds, given away for the price of shipping. I don’t see how it gets any cheaper than that.
It sounds like you’ve got some skin in the game, and consider yourself a middle class breeder. Though I’m not sure what your threshold is for a “proper” phenohunt
There are plenty of people here and elsewhere selling inexpensive seeds. I’ve seen as cheap as $1 per seed from Jonny potseed and hoss. Jaws and bodhi are like <$4 per plus extras. And I’ve seen killer deals from other breeders: recently $1 per seed from crockett farms (+ an extra 70 free seeds).
This day and age, there’s really no excuse for buying expensive, overpriced junk seeds.
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The best still to produce your own seeds and to be totally autonomous right ? And it always been.
In promoting this … over Bodhi seeds officially at 7€/seed (?!), we give the fishing rod. Not the can of worms ^^
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@LemonadeJoe whats the private galleries thing for the different levels on the supporter stuff?
Also forgets to take the shoes off at the door. 
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I’m a proponent of making your own seeds, but you need to have good stock to work with. It sounds like you’re disparaging the price of bodhi seeds. I’m assuming you’re in Europe from the €, so it wouldn’t surprise me that you might pay a premium for American seeds. However, bodhi is, as I mentioned above, a very reasonable deal in the states. At GLG, it’s buy two get one free for like $100 shipped. That’s less than $3 per seed. Plus a free pack from the seedbank.
Of course, you can breed these together and make thousands of seeds. But the idea that the only buying options are overpriced garbage is patently false this day and age. People spend hundreds of dollars on soil, nutrients, electricity - not to mention countless hours planting, repotting, feeding, trimming - and scoff at $45 for a pack of seeds?
But back to the main topic, besides not wanting to be involved in seed sales, my understanding is that Joe would prefer stable, predictable fees, i.e not based off sales numbers, but flat sponsor fees (and predictable patreon donations).
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