I learned to grow reading Ed Rosenthal in the 1980s, but I learned to grow Dank watching Weed Nerd videos. Thank you Subcool; I’ll miss you.
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Jack the RIpper just made it’s way up in the queue… this is terrible news. Does anyone know if anyone is going to continue his genetics or are all his strains going to the wayside now?
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He was working on renewing a bunch of his strains before he got raided not too long ago. The LEO took his home, hia grow equipement and killed all his plants off. He had just posted pics on his facebook of an old motorhome he refurbished and was living out of while he waited for the slow court system is the way he put it. Sad very sad… Im not sure whats left besides old seed stock and whatever cuts people kept.
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Between Badger & other friends I’m sure most of the library can be maintained. More important would be his personal wishes on the matter & it’s inappropriately early to be asking his close friends/family about the future.
Personally I’d bet he’d love that the strains go on & get crossed as long as due credit is given, like most others.
I am glad that he was able to post some recently and that he had such a good time receiving his High Times award & throwing seedpacks to a crowd.
Judging people from a distance is never easy, & the internet rumor-mill combined with a lot of personal disclosures in Weednerd shows makes it very shaky ground to make defininitive statements about the guy.
Without a doubt though, he broadcast the ‘Gospel of Ganja’ via Youtube during the years while Overgrow was M.I.A. and motivated/accellerated a lot of beginning growers, including me.
I discovered the Weednerd in late '16 & felt a premonition about his passing after watching his coughing. Also noticed myself in there. Food for thought.
Yesterday I re-listened to his interview on the Potcast and he speaks proudly about OG1.0’s wide dissemination of Cannabis cultivation knowledge, as well as opining “why aren’t forums what they once were”. Worth a listen.
RIP.
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Why was he getting raided? I thought he was in a legal state.
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…Not way back. I think the big raid was in Arizona a while back. The fires wiped out his most recent stuff in Cali. I read where he lost around 4 million of his seeds and all of his plants. And, all of that was happening about the time he and Jill were getting divorced.
I know he did contribute mightily to the cause. He was passionate about it. I never had a lot of exposure to him but I sure remember his name always popping up in the past. I just read about it this morning. Very sad.
I have a cross from Sun Valley with Cuvee x Blues. I believe I’ll grow it next as a tribute. I never had any of his gear.
RIP brother.
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Here is a nice short interview with Subcool given to Alchemia back in July last year, and he speaks of the future of his genetics and legacy after his death. He took care to protect it all.
After the fire: Interview with Subcool
Damn, that dude was climbing uphill all the time. I don’t wish that on anyone. He sure had his share of burden.
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This pic of subcool Jack’s cleaner was hanging on my bedroom wall when I was a teen just getting into learning about horticulture printed from o.g. before the site was down. Was a very inspiring pic to say the least. Didnt know flowers could get so frosty.
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I found this & it really strikes me as a good example of the Good Ole Days. @Meesh: I can’t help but think of my recent visit to your place.
Here’s a reposting from:
'ChemDawg
There is a great deal of interest in the strains created by the grower Chemdawg. The story goes like this. At a Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, ‘joebrand’ (aka ‘wonkanobe’) and ‘pbud’ met ‘chemdog’ and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.
In 91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of. The 3 females were labeled chemdawg (now 91 chemdawg), chemdawg a (now chemdawgs sister), and chemdawg b. In ’01, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled c, d, and e. the e seed never germinated, c turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and chemdawg d was the keeper. In ’06, ‘chemdog’ and ‘joebrand’ reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdawg phenos 1-4, ‘4’ being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the ‘4’ was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the ‘reunion pheno’. Chemdog still has two seeds left in his stash.
Chemdog’ and friends made several other crosses that are held closely by a small group of friends and acquaintances. Among them are:
1. Super Snowdawg (Bubble Chem x [Super skunk x Oregon Sno])
2. Giesel (Chem D x Mass Super Skunk)
3. Bubble Chem (Chemdawgs Sister x Sag’s Bubbleberry)
4. Dawg Daze aka ChemHaze (Chem D x 93 Sensi’s NL#5/Haze)
5. Chemdawg D x Pbud (another old-school Colorado strain)
In August of 2006 Chemdog came out to visit Mzjill and myself to swap stories and have a smoke out. It was a fantastic party with late night bubble sessions and everyone got along great and Jills cookies worked her magic. Chem is a super nice guy as is his entire family and we hit if off like old friends. During the festivities Chem and I slipped upstairs and traded some goodies so that I could do one of my famous Live Photo/Taste sessions.
It went on to be one of the most viewed threads at the time at Breedbay. You can view the original thread in the Hall of Fame @
Breedbay. [NON-EXISTENT URL]
Chem was more than generous giving me the largest buds of many of the samples. The quality of each sample was very good. Cured well and not green even shipped around theses samples were all top shelf. These are the strains he had with him.
Super Snow Dawg
Sour Diesel
Giezil
OG Kush
Chemdawgs Sister
Mass Super Skunk
Mendo Purps
Chemdawg D
Chemdawg
Genius
Jacks Cleaner
Genius
Jacks Cleaner
Purple Kush
Master Kush
Dawg Days
Head band
Now we had a proper smoke out but I am better judging at my own speed with a clean bong and some strong coffee early in the morning. I can test two strains per day properly any more and the highs just mix together and you cant tell the slight differences in each bud sample. My Original Toke notes from
Snodawg
Ok first hit
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The flavor is not really something I can put a name on other than I really loved the initial intake. It kind of reminds me of the White Russian sample I had at Ruskia before WR started sucking. I coughed a few times and then smiled let me dive into this a bit.
I really like this but it would be nice if I could describe its flavor to you guys I am gonna have to stick with DANK for now.
Hit #2
Slight skunk on my finger tips, if all the samples are this good this is going to be a warm up to the Cannabis cup except with Real Cannabis! Its totally yummy now that my lungs have warmed up but the delicious taste just came through in and out I like this bud a lot and I am already stoned as hell and considering the amount of THC we consumed last night thats pretty impressive.
Hit #3
Sub takes a breath, hey its hard work but it is my job to bring you the latest Cannabis info
The third bowl brought tears to my eyes so it must be some pretty serious dank I am trying to move to the second strain but I am gonna enjoy this buzz awhile.
[h=1]Chemdawg[/h]The second strain I decided to test was the famous Chemdawg that draws so much attention. Its the strain on every growers to do list right now. It is a heavy Indica with a crushing stone. It has a much different smell than the Snowdawg I can catch traces of pungent funk similar to the Grimm stuff. Sample appears to have been grown a good while ago and leans towards golden rather than green. A very well cured bud.
This smoke is thicker and burned my nose at first then I coughed really hard. Ok either its considerably stronger or the fact I am 4 bowls deep at 8 am but I am pretty stoned, I can feel the tug of the 4th bowl over the first three but I liked the flavor of the Snowdawg more at this point.
Giesel
This is a Pheno that has a more pungent smell and taste and to me I taste Cindy99 in it but thats just a flavor now I associate with fruity type sour strains. Although similar to the Dawg itself I think I like this one as much if not more. If I am not as in depth now on the thread its because I am stoned as shit!
Second Try:
To be honest this is more sour tasting to me than the SD and it has a nice spicy undertone and I am going to say this may be my second favorite. I am going to have a few bowls of this, as this is promising, I was so high this am by this one I couldnt tell.
Second hit
Although the smoke is super thick I don’t have any problems holding in a large hit, the buzz is very nice and the exhale is pleasant.
Sour Diesel
I found it to be really more dieselish that anything and certainly not that sour based on my gear but it left that oily taste on my tongue I heard about and it hit me pretty hard in the back of the head. This is where I had to take a small break. Basically ripped out of my gourd on everything. After a brief nap and smoked more of the SD in the afternoon, later after a shower with clean head, I like the buzz but Its not a sweet enough strain for me so far the Snowdawg is my favorite.
The SD reminds me of thick old Shrimp Boat Colombo from the bilge but that makes the sample sound shitty and you can see by the pics thats far from the case. It is very hard to judge Chems weed because it keeps fucking me up. By Hit three I find it hard to continue.
Chem Dog D
I’d like to again thank Chemdawg its been a long time since I had this many samples it will takes a few more days to complete this so don’t bail on me some of the more interesting ones I am saving to do solo.
Excellent rock hard sample
Now this smells like diesel big time like an old dirty rag in a gas station with a hint of garlic underneath. Very peculiar.
Hit #1 ( First of the Day)
Like many of Chems selections the smoke is think and oily instead of light and fruity, A slight burn in my sinuses is present and I am instantly stoned.
It seems Chems focus has been on insanely potent strains.
If I do a report on everything he brought it would take up the whole magazine so I am focusing on the most well known of his strains mainly Snodawg.
Other strains I liked were Headband and of coarse the genius sample was just amazing. The Sister was very similar to the ChemD and it was getting very hard for me to tell the strains apart by this time. Other than the Headband and Snodawg I found most of the samples very similar. The ChemD was so strong we started calling it Goobers Rag as it really did smell like one of those old red rags a station attendant will carry in his back pocket. Over the next year I had the opportunity to grow out several of these crosses but I am really a taste guy and the thick oily flavors of most of this gear just didnt suit me but the one strain Snodawg was hard for me to forget, as a grower I always am curious as to what a elite cut will taste like grown by me in my soil.
Early this year I was able to grab a cutting of the Snodawg and set about growing her out.
She grew easily and also cloned very fast. The plant stays short in veg and once topped she forms a really nice multi headed bush without much training at all. Once placed into 12/12 her stretch is minimal and she only increases in height about 30%. She has very wide Indica shaped leaves and I removed the larger ones to allow light to penetrate down to the lower second shelf buds.
The plant started fading by day 40, which indicates she is a heavy feeding plant as she was placed in my concentrated Super Soil that has plenty of nutrients for most of the varieties I grow. I top dressed the container with more super soil and gave her a feeding to slow down the yellowing and on future runs I will increase the amount of concentrate I use on her. By day 60 she had a beautiful Red and Yellow fade and just a really nice fruity Indica smell. The buds were full and hard and we harvested her at day 65 when about 40% of her Trichomes had turned amber. The buds were air dried for 7 days then placed in open glass jars until the stems started snapping when bent. This indicates enough moisture has evaporated and its now time to place lids on the jar. After 3 weeks the buds had loft all of there green smell and now had a slightly fruity smell that reminded me a lot of White Widow. The smoke is very think and Oily and Strong, just a few bowls and you are very high! We smoked a joint at week 4 curing and it was hard to finish between two of us and afterwards we sat still just staring off into space for a good hour. I still think the cross could use more resin as it makes very little Sugar leaf but this is common for dense buds like this.
I decided to create this Space-dawg and give all the seeds away for free. A certain smartass breeder that sells a Snowdawg BX pissed me off and it inspired me to shake up things, make a better Snowdawg hybrid and just give it away. In Snowdawg part 1 I detailed its creation as well as the history of many of Chemdawgs other famous strains. During a visit from Chem I was able to sample a large variety and I wrote a article based on this experience. The first story covered strains like:[/h]Super Snow Dawg
Sour Diesel
Giezil
Sister
OG Kush
Chemdawgs Sister
Mass Super Skunk
Chemdawg D
Chemdawg
Dawg Days
Head band
[h=1]In the first article I used information I found by doing research online. I found a post that detailed how Wonkanobe and Pbud met chemdawg and sold him an ounce of high quality pot for 500$ He found a few seeds in some of the buds and popped the first 4 seeds. The information went into detail about the following crosses:[/h]1. Super Snowdawg (Bubble Chem x [Super skunk x Oregon Sno])
2. Giesel (Chem D x Mass Super Skunk)
3. Bubble Chem (Chemdawgs Sister x Sag’s Bubbleberry)
4. Dawg Daze aka ChemHaze (Chem D x 93 Sensi’s NL#5/Haze)
5. Chemdawg D x Pbud (another old-school Colorado strain)
[h=1]I like Cannabis history to be very accurate so I quoted the information verbatim. When the article came out in Skunk someone named High & Lonesome contacted Mamakind and accused me of stealing the entire article. The facts are I used 274 words that I took from online and actually wrote 1651 words myself. Regardless I made things write and he was paid at my rate for every word. He declined a signed book from me as he considers me a hack. I wanted the real story to come out to clear my name, I am never at a loss for words I just wanted the facts to be correct. Personally I think the guys a moron admitting to a cash drug deal and maybe thats why the article was filed under Guest and not a Nickname I could name as a resource.[/h][h=1]The Snodawg was my favorite of the samples by far and I was hoping to improve the resin profile and increase the speed of vegative growth. I choose our Space Queen male, knowing he would increase the potency based on his contributions to other crosses he has been part of. Over the last several months we have collected test data from growers and I am very happy with the results.[/h]
[h=1]I would like to thank Ocanabis one of my official testers for all the hard work and amazing photography on this project. A predict you will see more of his talented pictures in print very soon. Other growers helped me with grow reports and smoke reports and I would like to thank all of them as well. Over 200 growers received a pack of Space-Dawgs absolutely free in different contest or giveaways put on by TGA distributors. I also donated a huge sack of seeds to the local medical co-op OGF.[/h]
[h=1]The first grow reports appeared online in October as the first seeds started poking through the soil, Ocanabis started just 6 seeds and had a 100% germ rate. They were grown under a 200 Watt CFL and remained there for the first few weeks until transplanting where they were moved under a 400watt Metal Halide for more vegging and training. After the first week they were fed using Advanced Nutrients line of organics as well as Fulvic and Humic Acids. These are to promote a stronger root and stem structure. At just two weeks the plants were very wide and stocky with nice thick stems. Three of the plants were perfect and 2 had slight mutations possible damage during the seedling stage. After 16 days of Vegative growth Ocanabis had them on the following nutrient schedule:[/h]
Mix per 4 liters of water
4 ml Fulvic
4 ml Humic
4 ml B-52
60 ml Met Tea-Grow
5 ml B. Strap Mollases
5 ml L. Karma
PH at 6.4-6.5
Fed once a week and water in between
[h=1]Day 40 revealed 3 nice females with 3 un-indicated as of yet and all had a short Indica look with wide fan leaves and nice side branching. After 52 days of growth another plant indicated female and Ocanabis added some Iguana Juice to his regiment. All of the plants were very uniform bushes with tight internodes and very sturdy stems. They had now reached the point where the growing shoots had alternating nodes indicated sexual maturity. The plants were officially placed into bloom at the 60 day mark under 1200 watts of HPS Power. After just a few days in the new area the last female indicated making five females from six seeds tested.[/h]
Once the plant had been budding for 2 weeks a new feeding schedule was implemented.
Mix pr 4 l (1 gal) water
4 ml Fulvic
4 ml Humic
4 ml B-52
40 ml Met Tea- Bloom
4 ml Iguana Juice-Bloom
5 ml Molases
Ph is/was adjusted to 6.4
The plants responded well and visible trichomes were already forming as the first buds starting filling in. After 4 weeks of budding the plants started taking on characteristics that allowed Ocanabis to start selecting his favorite plants based on smell and structure. He described it as the smell of Juicy Fruit Gum only 10X stronger! The plants all formed nice bushes with four main branches and a large number of both inner and outer lower branching.
After 6 weeks in blooming the plants looked incredible taking on attributes of Snowdawgs smell and Space Queens resin profile. The fruity aromas got stronger and the resin completely covered all of the plants making them look like they were covered in morning Dew but in fact it was THC latent resin! Even the outer fan leaves had resin. At day 46 Ocanabis started his final flush and also used stakes to help support the colas that were starting to sag under their own weight. He reported smells ranging from Bubblegum to Lemon Candy and also Fruit Punch, he was having a very hard time picking his favorite at this point.
Harvest day came at day 57 or 8 weeks just the time we like all of our hybrids to finish at. A plant has to be ultra special to warrant longer than 9 weeks in our gardens. All of the females looked like they were covered in Diamond Dust at harvest and even the smallest yielding plant was encrusted with resin and had a thick smell.
The first smoke report on this strain was turned in by Janjaweed a grower at the forums on Breedbay and he was also very impressed. This is his smoke report:
SMOKE REPORT
<10> Potency
<10> Taste
<10> Smoothness (1 = harsh 10 = smooth)
<8> Indica Influence
<5> Sativa Influence
<1> Effect Onset (1 = immediate 10 = super creeper)
<2-3> Duration (In hours)
<2> Tolerance Buildup (1 = slow 10 = fast)
<10> Overall Satisfaction
COMMENTS:
These buds are tasty and full of flavor, but they are also very potent so
much that it numbs your head and after a few bowls my teeth were numb, like i had just been to the dentist
chunks of analgesic grapefruit, more of Indica effect. if you have pain this will kill it lol
people with low tolerance should be careful not to over indulge as it may cause them green outs and nausea.
Medicinal Strength: 11++
KEEPER?
YES, favorite is staying indefinitely.
Everyone seems to love this strain and that makes this project to me very rewarding. My main goal was to work with Chems Snowdawg and see if I could improve its resin profile somewhat and we were very successful. My other goal was to simply do something no other Breeder had done before than I know of, to create a new strain for the fun of it and give every seed away to the growing community. The cries to make more have already started but I have already passed the mother plant on to another medical grower who likes Indicas. For me the fun was gifting something to people that others charge way too much for in my opinion. The fact that everyone thats grown it so far is so impressed with the cross is well, Gravy on a biscuit!
Subcool’
Overgrow
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Weednerd Bible… SubCool Tribute
Damn Bro! I don’t think we were prepared for this… Thank you for the friendship, wisdom, and the level minded knowledge you shared with us over the years… You’ll be here with us Everytime we mix up a batch of Supersoil, and when we don’t make the same mistake twice, because of your lessons. Back to basics and overgrow the world!! Weednerds for life!
… you’ll be missed brother, a true legend in many ways!
Let’s take the teachers lessons and compile stories and lessons learned from the king and spread his knowledge ,love, and drive…
I planted my first seed because of this man when I was just a cutty and life as I knew it changed for the better 
The original Pioneer overgrower helping the overgrowth… 
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You will be Missed my Brother
May you Overgrow the Heavens
Rest in Peace
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rest in peace sub, i will try to keep this bedrock boogie alive in his honor, i have pollen from pure males and a weak little girl i am trying to keep healthy
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Wow I wasn’t aware of this bad news, RIP subcool, did his jacks cleaner back in the mid 90s, got it from Cbay.
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did he die i saw some where they said rip sub cool he was having a hard time with the lung disease he has just curious
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Dave’s not home man…
https://lacannabisnews.com/legendary-cannabis-breeder-subcool-has-died/
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thank for getting back to me on this rip sub cool
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Alpha-1 I was with our friend when he passed.
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He was pretty old for alpha-1. Runs in families.
People with it usually get COPD around age 30. Earlier if you do things that naturally cause it.
Sad news though. RIP
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He was diagnosed in 2012. I was at his last doctors appointment with his lung specialist on December 24th of 2019. He absolutely had alpha-1. Along with weekly infusions of prolastin every Monday. I spent his last 4 months with him as much as time allowed. Was with him when he passed.
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