I dont know why I do, but I fuckin’ love this thread. Stories, recipes, how-to’s, whats not to like? Mikey is here for the long haul.
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I know right across the street from me there is a plant right next to the road. I call it moonflower. I dont really know the real name of it. Blooms huge white flowers at night and finish up about 8-9 in the morning. Flower resemble the Morning Glory but its a bush rather than a vine and huge flowers. I was told, as a child, it was poison. But I know people who have ingested flowers, seeds and stems and said they tripped their asses off. Not like LSD but more ‘organic’ like Mesc. Anyone know anything about it? I would do a pic but it is dormant right now.
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Search datura and brugmansia. They contain scopolamine
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Ah yes. I thought the chemical may be akin to that in mescaline. I would not try that plant, but I am fairly certain the guys that live there have had a go of it. Haha. Ok I’ll shut up now.
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It’s very hard to say because there are three things often called moonflower: ipomea alba, datura innoxia, and Ipomoea violacea, the last of which is often called the beach moonflower. Datura innoxia is the only plant in that list that isn’t a climber. Ipomea Alba is the most ‘common’ of the plants commonly referred to as moonflower. There are debates as to whether it’s seeds have lysergic acid. The data points towards no, but I’ve seen people claim otherwise after a bioassay. I wouldn’t chance it.
Ipomea violacea is a morning glory and often in white. This is called the beach moonflower or just moonflower less often. It has lysergic acid in it (LSA). Almost all morning glories contain LSA
Lysergic acid is a hallucinogen very close to LSD. It shares many similarities with LSD. I’ve done LSA many times. It’s not a particularly fun, party substance. It has a very psychedelic headspace, colors are very vivid and often have large halos. There are colorful trails. But, it’s limited. It’s also a very easy to handle psychedelic, so I often recommend it to people. But they’re not going to want to do it very often. It’s the least euphoric of the psychedelics. It’s not bad, it’s just a bit less fun.
The final moonflower is datura innoxia. This is the second most common usage of the term ‘moonflower’. These have tropane alkaloids and are actually deliriants, not hallucinogens. They’re dangerous and difficult to dose and not the most pleasant. Playing around with datura is only for the experienced, and even then, it’s risky.
Whether it’s ipomea Alba or datura inoxia, it’s best to plant morning glories if you want LSA. They grow like weeds. I used to have giant bushes of them and I’d harvest the seeds. Conversely, you can buy the seeds online to trip, but beware, most commercial morning glory seeds are coated with substances in a manner to prevent that, so you’d need to find specifically untreated seeds from a trusted vendor.
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We used to grow the datura innoxia, I believe. The coolest thing was watching the different night pollinators we rarely got to see otherwise.
Once we got word that the local prison had a bunch of messed up inmates, we trimmed it back from the road. They actually maintained the highway, which was right in front of our house.
What beautiful and fragrant flowers.
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Did datura tea back in the day. Made everything look green and had absolutely no ability to express myself…was highly suggestible and basically mute.
I had friends who tripped out so bad he just walked in my house buck naked in front of my parents while drooling and mumbling incoherently. It was not a cool scene.
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This is one of the most interesting components of tropane induced delirium, suggestible trance-like states. Zombies, from the African and Haitian lore, are actually people under the perpetual influence of tropane alkaloids forcefully given to them by shaman or witch doctors. There is a famous case and this is the prevailing theory. There are other instances and further evidence of tropane alkaloids used in this manner.
Additionally, Brugmansia is being used in South America for the same purpose. They are using brugmansia—I think they call it borrachero in Brazil—to induce suggestible trance-like states and then getting victims to empty their bank accounts or even their apartments. In some instances, the victim has even helped move the furniture out of their apartment.
There is an absolutely amazing movie—my all time favorite—about this very concept. It’s called Upstream Color:
It is, I think, the best movie ever made. It’s a transcendent masterpiece.
The military experimented extensively with this, using tropane alkaloids. If you’re ever interested in a fascinating read that relates to tropane alkaloids and US chemical weapons human experiments, check this book out:
Even more interestingly, the South African Defense Forces played around with them quite a bit during operation COAST, the most fascinating chemical weapons program in human history. The entire chemical weapons program devolved into eugenics and selling ecstasy out of a Mercedes. I could not make this stuff up. If anyone reads anything, ever, I recommend this:
Chemical weapons are one of my subject matter areas of expertise, and it’s strange and staggering what a role tropane alkaloids, and cholinergics and anticholinergics in general, play in that area. Acetylcholine plays such a huge role in bodily function. I used to have a lot of nerve gas prophylaxis in the first aid kit 
That was a huge, rambling response to your post, but you brought up such an interesting topic! Hopefully, I can lead at least one person down at least one of those research rabbit holes, whether it be zombies or chemical weapons.
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Quite far, unfortunately, in California. But, when covid isn’t a thing, my lifestyle has me all over the place. Believe it or not, but I’ve never seen the Great Lakes, and I’ve been to like 30+ states. It’s ridiculous. Maybe sometime in the far future, we could figure something out!
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You are a knowledgeable guy and an asset to this place for sure. Been around the Great Lakes my whole life. (Michigan and Lake Superior). To many on the coasts, these are “flyover states”, but there is unbelievable natural beauty to be found here. You can find yourself on the big lake or in any number of wilderness areas. Definitely stop by in the summer though. Nice and temperate. The winters may shock the uninitiated though. Peace. This is a list of what I may grab from Willy’s Emporium, provided this looks good.
$15/50 pachanoi Monstrose x Monterey Bay bridgesii - Very likely to grow crested/monstrose seedlings
$3/30 T pachanoi Field’s OP - Well known Australian clone pollinated by bees - JY3.
$6/30 Bridgesii Pacific x Jade - two unique T bridgesii plants crossed - MF1
$8/30 peruvianus Serra Blue x Poots - Unique peruvianus crossed with a peruvianus that flowered for it’s first time - MF8
Thoughts?
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Cutting/rooted price? I might have to have you get me some too.
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Pretty sure this is all seed form. I only know about cannabis/hemp seeds where there is a high degree of variability. The cuttings that I can find seem quite a bit more expensive. Looks like I need to read up on germination etc and what to expect on growth rates etc. If a cutting is the way to go then I’ll ditch the seed idear, but if seeds are viable, that is the way I roll with cannabis as I have acquired zero and done everything from seed. Will go either way based on advice rcv’d here and any ancillary reading I can do. Learning from those in the know which way to go is so valuable. Thanks.
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If your headed up there I’d take a pack of each. I’ll have funding next wednesday.
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Anyone have a blue torch? Pilosocereus Azureus or perhaps devils tongue? (plays puppet to the real master of the house- she talks, I type)
We have a few to offer in trade…some already rooted like… Queen of the Night. Epiphyllum oxypetalum
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I think this is a blue torch. I looked it up once and can never remember its Latin name
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Soooooo pretty @anon93244739 !!!
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Very nice!
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That looks like an amazing list, and each of those is a cross that I would be very excited to run over most of the cuttings I could find in regular nurseries stateside. I love Serra Blue, she’s a beautiful cacti. I have a Serra Blue cross I love. I looked at his entire list and what you selected is nearly identical to what I would have, especially the top one.
Growing cacti from seed requires a certain amount of patience, because you have to wait a couple of years until they begin their regular, 12-18 inches per year growth. On the flip side of that, if you buy cuttings only, you’ll never have a genetically diverse garden. If you got half your seeds into adulthood, that would be 70 genetically unique cacti. That would be one of the better collections in the United States. So, the wait is long and much patience is required, but it is very much worth it.
Germinating is super easy, too. Best of luck!
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