I don’t mean to berate or degrade anything or anyone here. If I could help out with distribution I most definitely would.
I’m just trying to offer some differing perspectives on a possible better way to do things if people were up for it.
That system/current system, is totally fine with me, I don’t have a bone in this fight at all. It does not matter to me how you guys decide to do it in the end. If that’s what everyone feels is easiest and/or safest to do that’s cool 
well, last year when i joined OG there were few users and it also seemed to me to be an international site, since the adm of the site @lemonadejoe is from the Czech republic and there are people here from australia, africa, south america it really looked like an international family , we even had the shark tank topic, suddenly many users signed up and some old users start to withdraw, today it seems that the site is only US / Canada, the jokes about google tricks and jokes about which part of the world is yours english, flag smiles, etc. sometimes a person who is not us say something and be completely ignored and see someone else us say the same thing and wow what a genius millions of likes …
Personally I never went to post or chat a lot, not even in real life but here was the only place where I posted something, but lastly I prefer to be invisible and when I say something I try to say very little and only if it is to add something, which I get, it didn’t happen this time. 
At the moment for me it was the impression: “we solved the USA great, the rest is fuck off, then we solve”. Since at no time was it mentioned or mentioned other distributors than US, Canada, and EU and also UK that is no longer part of the EU
something else I don’t know why to put numbers on the list as it will not be used and some people will not receive it, since it seems that it is US first.
Now I don’t know if I send a pm to @MadScientist who would be the South American distributor, I just forget that since sometimes it seems that we “rest” of the world are an uncomfortable burden for the forum.
@MomOnTheRun I send a package to me in the middle of the year or a little earlier I think, it was the December package because I idiot that I had never sent my address to my distributor she stayed to send my package along with the April package or October since it was already April and probably not April, but without me waiting I received a package from Alaska, I imagine she thought it would be a long time before I wait until October for the December box and send it to me. In other words, it seems that even though she had plans to send the boxes in October, in case he didn’t send them in October, maybe she was lost, I know that her problems were not limited to a fallen tree in her house, but I know she was also with health, maybe she is absent because of problems with her family or work, she lives in alaska maybe her relatives live on the continent (i know alaska is not an island) and she was forced to travel to be with them for some reason.
sorry if i look like an idiot venting, i know a lot of you are just love
Sorry for the long text I know that a lot will not even read, and sorry I used the google translator, this seems to be an insult to some.
Also sorry to @Shadey who just talked about the internationals but had already written it would be a pain in the ass to edit what I had already written lol it took me 1 hour to write this 
Just leave @Shadey out of it, we Canadians appreciate his efforts. 
I don’t think a single one of us wish for any changes. TYVM.
All we have established so far is how distribution will work within the US going forward. Being a US member, it really isn’t my place to make any decisions about how each international distributor should handle shipping.
Here is what we have so far:
Sebring is acting as our official distributor within the US, and breeders have the option of working with a second volunteer US member for backup / redundancy purposes to minimize losses if there are any unforeseen problems.
Any matters relating to international distribution are now up to the international distributors and members to decide.
For the time being, we no longer have the involvement of MOTR to facilitate international shipping, so for international distribution to continue, new plans will need to be made by the international distributors. Being a co-op, these decisions are up to each individual international distributor.
Swecan has volunteered to act as a new EU distributor. I would recommend the relevant international members should chime in (possibly with a poll?) to voice whether or not this meets with their approval and serves their needs.
George has decided to resign, after refusing to contact sebring or to independently find someone other than MOTR to work with. It simply isn’t the US members’ job to find solutions for him, and within the co-op structure, he had no right to impose his will on how volunteers handle distribution within the US.
All members are equal, with your level of responsibility determined by what tasks you choose to volunteer for.
My level of involvement and the extent of my responsibility is that of a seed donator and breeder, and I just want to make sure that the co-op has the tools and the structure to help me share my work with you all.
Shanti, I’m sorry to hear that you and other international members may be feeling left out. All you have to do is chime into the discussion, or if you would like, volunteer as an international distributor.
I am sure I speak for all US members when I say that we value the international community on overgrow, and would love to be able to share our seeds and our work with you all.
It just isn’t within our responsibility to dictate how international shipping will be handled. This is up to the international members and distributors themselves.
Keep in mind this is not a service, and this is not a product.
It is a member organized co-op, so international members must make these decisions for themselves.
something else I don’t know why to put numbers on the list as it will not be used and some people will not receive it, since it seems that it is US first.
the reason for the numbering is simple, and has nothing to do with where members are located.
This is determined by member trust level only. If there happen to be more US than international members in that list, it only reflects the demographics of the users who happen to browse the site most frequently.
Read back in this thread about the Trust Level system for sign ups, and read the Overgrow FAQ for trust levels for clarification.
I had been talking with MOTR to help with shipping a few months back. I’m still willing to help, I worked for a commercial business that shipped 100 packages a day. I’m in Oregon. I can get things done with shipping ( better than I can do growing indoors… lol )
we did ship overseas, its a pain compared to In the USA. If I help out i would like to only do USA shipping at least until a batch is caught up… then tackle the overseas if no one else will do that. Its time consuming…
I read, maybe it’s only valid for the first
If you read this whole thread again you will see that it was not the way it was solved the first time, I am not complaining about not having received the April package that was transferred to October because of the pandemic, nor am I complaining that a forum member got snow lotus to do f2 and didn’t.
It was handled differently in the past because a member volunteered to take on all of those duties, and the community agreed.
Now MOTR is absent. This time, no one volunteered to do those tasks. New arrangements will have to be made.
Alright, its decided…
The preservation runs will be accessible to level 2+ members - In each journal, we’ll have 2 numbered lists…1 for level 3 and 1 for level 2 members so in the event of a limited seed count level 3 members shall come 1st.
Only 1 seed pack per strain per person. 150 numerical sign ups starting at the day of light flip…75 slots for level 3 members, 75 slots for level 2 members – 1st come 1st served depending upon your member status. If the breeders fall short of 750 seeds to fulfill the level 3 list the strain will be reran immediately with clones kept by the breeder. If a member didn’t get in on the 1st round, will have to wait until a repeat seed run is made or arrange a trade with someone
so just to reiterate, this is still our official sign up procedure at the moment. this information is still current and is not affected by any changes in distribution resulting from the absence of MOTR.
I’m just glad that reasonable people can have a mostly reasonable discussion without the kind of accusations and nastiness that seem to pervade the rest of life these days. 
Thanks to all for being civil and cooperating to get this hashed out. We’re not done yet, but we’re getting there.
And special thanks to the leaders and team og folks who stepped up to volunteer their help, support, and encouragement. We couldn’t do it without you!
I was going to keep outside this mare magnum, but won’t allow anyone stepping my toes. First off, it is quite unpolite and unfair mentioning things I’ve presumably said without tagging me, Please read this:
I just said we should wait for Sebring to decide if he accepts being the international distributor, that’s why in my chart he is with a question mark.
In case he accepts it would have been my turn to contact him, not before …
It is funny you say this, when I try to suggest the way to do it I am “imposing” to the rest of the planet. If you check my chart, you will see that it is just the way it actually works, I am not imposing anything, just wanting to keep things as they have been working from the past years, suggesting Sebring as temporal substitute of MOTR while she decides to come back or not.
I have refused because of the hostility shown by some members, I see you changed “racist” for “xenophobe”, that’s more accurate, the resume could be: “We US members are going to sort this out so we don’t miss again our free seeds, rest of the world will have to work out how they get them”
That is for me splitting the community and not working for a global solution. I would not be comfortable to work side by side with reluctant members and giving them my real name and address, confidence and trust are really needed when you live in a country where you are not allowed to grow.
Did you finally speak to her? Are you in a hurry to bury her as you did with me? Did you speak with Sebring, Gaz29 or Shadey or just give them instructions to arrange themselves? You are not the most indicated person to lead this project, that said with much respect, sincerity and syntactical errors … 
George, I do not appreciate your accusatory tone, so I will engage in this conversation as minimally as possible. I simply did my best to summarize the discussion.
You have written 2 posts in which you officially resigned.
https://overgrow.com/t/seed-runs-co-op-logistics-cost-ot-discussion-megathread/24443/514?u=zephyr
If you are rescinding on that announcement, maybe you should have thought more carefully before posting your official resignation in the first place. You said you resigned, and I took your word for it.
After you announced your resignation, another member has volunteered as an EU distributor. I suggest that you work with all of the relevant EU members to make a decision about how you will handle things going forward.
as for the other topics you have raised, please read these relevant posts, because we have already been over this.
It is funny you say this, when I try to suggest the way to do it I am “imposing” to the rest of the planet. If you check my chart, you will see that it is just the way it actually works, I am not imposing anything, just wanting to keep things as they have been working from the past years, suggesting Sebring as temporal substitute of MOTR while she decides to come back or not.
That is for me splitting the community and not working for a global solution. I would not be comfortable to work side by side with reluctant members and giving them my real name and address, confidence and trust are really needed when you live in a country where you are not allowed to grow.
I just said we should wait for Sebring to decide if he accepts being the international distributor, that’s why in my chart he is with a question mark.
In case he accepts it would have been my turn to contact him, not before …
Did you finally speak to her? Are you in a hurry to bury her as you did with me? Did you speak with Sebring, Gaz29 or Shadey or just give them instructions to arrange themselves?
yes, I have spoken with shadey in this public thread, and we are waiting for his reply to see if and how he would like to handle distribution within Canada, as well as international shipping from the U.S. to Canada.
It is up to you to contact sebring if you wish to work with him, and it is sebring’s choice to either accept or decline.
Distribution in the US will continue because members have volunteered to handle all the necessary work.
No one has volunteered to ship from US to other countries, so this is up to the international members and distributors to figure out a solution, or find a volunteer within the community
Did you finally speak to her?
for the last time. No one has any way to contact her outside of the forum. At present, MOTR is totally off the grid and this really has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
If you truly value MOTR’s contributions and her friendship, you should let her remain below the radar as long as necessary. Where I am from, we would say “don’t make it hot” for her, as in, don’t attract unnecessary attention while she is clearly trying to lie low.
The last 30 or so posts are kinda mute without @Sebring weighing in on the conversation. Collectively we can agree to disagree on some points of this discussion without getting personal. In fact it would be really important to hear from the current distributors to find out what is working and what could be improved. This is a co-op, short for cooperation, so let’s hear from distribution about the current process in place and modify it so it works better and a contingency plan when it doesn’t. 
I resigned because I didn’t accept receiving seeds directly from breeders, when @Worcestershire_Farms explained to me that was not going to happen I deleted my post. You were pretty fast to remember in your post my decision even if I deleted it, that’s why I resigned again, I am not reconsidering anything …
Are you the boss in charge? 
Who is imposing now?
You are your own boss, george.
But you have no say over how any other member or volunteer chooses to handle their own volunteer work.
It is your right to resign, or volunteer, under whatever terms you see fit. It is the right of other volunteers and members to either accept your terms and work with you, or not. They are free to choose, just as you are.
This is a member organized co-op. All members are equal, with your level of responsibility determined by what tasks you choose to volunteer for.
My level of involvement and the extent of my responsibility is that of a seed donator and breeder, and I just want to make sure that the co-op has the tools and the structure to help me share my work with you all.
That’s exactly what I said, you cannot solve this issue without hearing what MOTR, Sebring, Gaz29 or Shadey thinks about this. Breeders and seed donators have nothing to do while this matter is still in the air. Right now the mentioned structure covers only the U.S.A, , big deal …
George, your approach is not helping anything. It seems like you are not reading what is presented to you. Please do negotiations you need in private and come back when you have answers you need. This is getting nowhere.
Sorry LJ, just wanted to clear out why I resigned, I’m out of this discussion, good luck with the new project …
