Your chem91 looks better than mine at around the same time- day57 here! Tho I havent seen nanners. Shes a heavy eater - maybe I need more calcium. Another top dress might have helped haha.
Yeah I know what you mean with the TK structure - its not very compatible with the small bonsai mom approach. Doesnt fit in the bottom shelf of a metal wire rack that I like to keep moms in.
Yeah need to stay up on crushing her stems so she’ll bush out. Having to do LST on her in order to keep her manageable indoors through the long term is about my only gripe with her. Worth it for the flower tho!
I find it interesting we’re having like the complete opposite grows with the 91 and BK 
. I didn’t have nanners at all on the 91 until 9+ weeks, but had them all over the BK the whole way.
I don’t mind doing clone of a clone and I often do that anyways. Taking clone of a clone puts me at about every 2-3 weeks needing a new clone with the TK though in my space it feels like. I could go back to using a taller veg tent but that would cut my square footage in half - reducing the amount of moms I can have.
Don’t think there’s anything intense or special in my mix. I did add approx 1 TBS oyster shell flour per gal. Have been also very lightly applying fish hydrolysate occasionally (1 TSP / GAL) . Was wondering if the added N from that was making her freak out a bit.
Good to hear I’m not the only one. It clones without any real issue and would probably be effortless with more height - but ya, bonsai style feels a bit harder than other varieties.
I was thinking about that when I pulled the flowering TK out earlier because I was looking at the swollen pinch location on the plant. Good to hear it worked out for you! Were you able to keep her in a low height situation or do your moms have a lot of room to work with?
Different environments, medium / fertilizers, and all that. Also as we all know my C91 did not like the 1200~ or so umol of light it was getting.
So for my situation my veg / mom tents are too small to let the plants get tall enough to branch out like that before pruning. My issue is mostly trying to contain the plant working with not a lot of height. I’ll try to be more strategic in the future with how I prune her and attempt some mild low stress training as well. Thanks for the input everyone!
Yeah, low light low height, pinch the internodes that get to an inch or more on her, every few days or once a week depending on the mom area. Keeps her in line for sure. Nice and bushy and easy for clones.
Haha, I meant who gifted you the specific cut that you’re growing right now. I’ve read plenty about the history of all of the various Chems. I’m pretty aware of the little stories and all that.
That’s funny. Even before I started growing, when I was just reading and reading about it, I was always like,”But why would repeatedly taking clones cause any plant to get shittier?” Never made any sense to me, with that “genetic drift” nonsense and all that bullshit haha.
It’s crazy how many of these assholes have made a living off of spouting total garbage. I was just re-reading this article for the 50’th time today The First Rule of Making ‘Fight Club’: Talk About ‘Fight Club’ - The Ringer and when you get near the end of it, when they start talking about how they couldn’t figure out to market Fight Club and how none of the critics really understood the movie and how the studio execs didn’t get it, all I can ever think is,”These people are getting paid millions of dollars, but they couldn’t figure that out? That’s their job!” haha. It isn’t a difficult movie to understand, seems pretty obvious to me.
Anyway…
I was gonna suggest that, too, or just topping her repeatedly.
From what I’ve read, Higgins grabbed the 91skva from FarmerJoe420 and shared it with some friends, including another Higgins, who shared it with you and a few others. The Higginses appear to want to remain anonymous. 
Besides the Chem 91skva, the Higginses also grabbed the Matt Berger Bubba, Chem D, Tahoe, Legend, TK, Irene, SR-71, and Chem 4 from FJ420. The Higginses also got the SCBD, MM31, Bunktek Sour D, Giesel, Spellcaster #10, Lavender Jack, Nigerian Rafiki #8, Dragon Hammer #3, Blammo, and a few others from FJ420 and NN as well as some overgrowers. The Higginses also got the T-1000, GG4 and Pinesoul from Archive’s dispo in Portland.
Your 91 is looking better lately! Nanners are a concern, but it can be run cleanly as others have mentioned…and even under high light, as the Higginses showed.
Would be bad etiquette and careless to violate other’s privacy like that, especially publicly. See above for a more detailed response though. It’s a cut that has been run before by many members here without issues so clearly it’s something on my end.
Poor sanitation and the introduction of viruses / pathogens is my guess. Same could probably be said for mother conditions though without taking clones though.
I have been but I don’t think I’m articulating the problem well enough. The way it branches (or doesn’t) is a bit trickier than all the other moms I have.
Thanks! Do you know what DLI / umol these mysterious growers ran the cut at? I’m pretty paranoid now about running it above 600 on the next run. Wonder what other stresses would have bothered it so much - early fungus gnat larvae munching on roots? Cold night temps (high 50s)?
e : typos / wording fixes - posted this on laptop
How’s the pinesoul smelling for yah the one I got outdoors is a stinker more of a sweet pine then the lemon Pine I got on old soul
It’s not giving off a ton of static aroma just being around it (I don’t think, could be wrong though). Light rub I’m I’m getting a rubbery hashy pine funk kind of smell. Doing a bit more forceful of a squeeze on the buds I get the lemony Pinesol smell in there. The smell does stick to you for a bit after doing that so it’s not like some of the semi-odorless Gojis I’ve had.
It’s definitely there but has reduced in intensity a bit. I like the look of the lower buds more than the tops on it and they have nice structure to them. The plant is falling over a bit now and I had to tie it up to the tomato cage w/ a carabiner so be prepared to support it later on in flower.
Doing a side by side comparison they are actually pretty close but that rubbery hashy funk part of it isn’t present in the bottle of Pinesol.
Your results may vary. Hope that helps.
No, I understood haha. That’s why I said I was gonna suggest pinching/topping, but after I saw the pics and read your description, it’s pretty obvious what the issue is. Sounds like she just doesn’t wanna branch at all.
I wonder if keeping her in a bigger pot and allowing her roots to spread out might help produce more vegetative growth. I dunno. I’m fucking hammered right now and about to start doing a bunch of drugs.
I’m outta here for the next 36 hours or so haha.
I’m always blown away how I run stuff in huge pots and his look way better in 1 gals 
Since we are on the topic, hey syzygy can you provide some more details on your methods for flowering in 1 gallon pots? Or point me to a post that already covers it?
You use living organic soil iirc, right? Any more details on that? Do you make your own soil? What do you add? Do you use a stronger mix for the 1 gal pots?
Do you have to feed them often in bloom in the 1g pots? Are you using any liquid nutrients, or teas? Or just top dressing?
Sorry for all the questions. I’m just curious about your methods. I guess I should just spend some time reading your thread first, huh? lol
Oh for sure, I wouldn’t have any issues if I could use larger pots or had more space haha. As it is with the 1 GAL pots the TK is already touching the light almost (again). The one behind it was touching the top of the tent earlier today (pruned back all moms today).
Appreciate the nice comment but really a lot of it is probably just the camera/lens and lighting. I’ll try to take some phone pictures before I harvest the LJ (7 GAL) and TSG (1 GAL) to show the difference.
Slightly related or maybe unrelated
None of my LJ stacks came out that well but I did keep 1 so I’m posting it here to allow me to delete it from my desktop
About to take the dogs but I’ll try to answer the post when I get back. I don’t mind questions but I am no guru either. A lot of what I do is an amalgamation of things I’ve read online on the forums (and most of you have as well I’m sure) and locally doing medium scale non-cannabis gardening. An example would be I learned about bonsai moms from that old OG guide.
That definitely looks like a major PITA plant to keep as a bonsai mom. I see what you mean now.
I would try bending that plant over and tying it down if it were me. I just poke holes in the side of my pot and then use some of that green twine stuff that comes on the rolls. Stick it through the hole and run it up to the plant to bend+tie. Or I use bamboo stakes. (I’m sure you already have your own methods, but just figured I’d mention it anyway (not that you need advise…)).
My goal would be to Try and get a few of the lower branches to start stretching, then FIM them all, tie down again. Not sure if the TK would cooperate though
Worst case, just keep topping it every couple weeks and just throw away the trimmed top. It may not produce a lot of clones that way, but it would produce enough for you for sure.
Yeah it’s very high maintenance (for me at least).
I posted some of the details in a few posts in my first thread but there’s a lot of random gibberish to sort through to find it so I really don’t fault anything for not finding something difficult to search for. Don’t think I posted anything about it really in this thread or the SSDD one.
Here are 3 posts
Also found a few more pictures of the SSDD mom in that thread for you…
As for “living soil” -
I usually measure soil components in 1 or 5 GAL buckets and then mix them in a large sterlite container. From there I store the soil in garbage cans or 1.2 CU ft bags.
For small containers I use a pre-limed substrate that I get locally which is approximately 80% coarse Sphagnum Peat Moss, 15% Perlite & 5% vermiculite. I can get it cheaper than Pro-Mix, which I’ve used as well and is similar enough. This is ‘inert potting soil’
3 Parts inert potting soil
1 Part rice hulls
1 Part Compost (usually commercial worm castings lately)
When mixed together it looks like this
Then depending on the genetics I either
1801 → 4" pot → 4" square pot → 5.5" .4 gal pots (fits 8 to a tray) → 1 GAL 7x7x9 pots
Currently I’m flowering out a Triple Sunshine A in a 4" square pot which only holds 3 cups of soil. TSA performs really well in small pots. Most plants would look terrible when constricted that much.
Sometimes I use these for moms & I used to flower in them as well, but I like the flexibility that the true 1 GAL pots give.
.4 GAL 5.5" nursery pots - a tray holds 8 of them. Dog for scale
For nutrition I’d say pretty much any proven recipe should work. I have access to a lot of bulk amendments so I often just go that route but I’ve tried the various popular organic recipes posted on ICMag and other places. A good rule of thumb is 1 TBS/GAL with most amendments but for some things less is more. I think the rock dusts are probably a waste of money for 1 GAL pots where you aren’t reusing the soil.
The mixes posted on ICMag are all good, coots mix is good, I’m sure buildasoil’s craft blend is good, etc. Whether or not you have to top dress or liquid feed would probably depend on your timing & the genetics you’re growing. I rarely topdress but sometimes my plants also suffer because of it.
Yup.
I use coco and Jacks321, with low light. I don’t pinch or anything really, but I prolly could. I usually just prune, and take cuts when needed. I’ve found I can keep the plants much happier for a longer amount of time in smaller pots (1/2GAL hydro pots). When I feel the roots have maxed out the coco, I pull 'em out and cut off the bottom half with a saw and scruff up the side roots, and transplant into some fresh coco.
On the other hand, I have a clone of Irene, that I moved upstairs as a house plant, and it stays under low light in organic soil and doesn’t grow much. Controlling the amount of light is key with mothers… if you’re trying to pump out the clones, ramp up the light and feed, if you’re just trying to maintain, give them low amounts of everything.
I get a fair bit of branching from the TK just by pinching and laying the tallest tops down. Or by chopping the top off. In that way, it most reminds me of Giesel except that Giesel is more robust.
Regarding 1gal organic growing, I suspect you can hide a lot of sins with a little liquid fish emulsion. Nitrogen is the least concentrated in most of our organic reamended mixes, due to the stuff we amend with, and also the quickest macronute to get depleted. Watering in a plant-available N source can keep that early fade in check. It’s almost like using synthetic nutes to correct a deficiency. I’m not hatin on it, just saying that’s how and when I understand you use the liquid fish. To be fair, I’m larping cuz I’ve never used it, but one of the great gardeners of all time - Monty Don - swears by it.
I don’t know exactly, but it sure looked pretty high PAR to me. Based on the apparent distance from light to canopy in the pics, I’d say 800+ for sure.
Seeing that plant to pot size ratio makes me feel ill haha. Haven’t done anything synthetic since like 2002 but that is seriously tempting. I may actually play around with something like that just for mothers this fall.
I just hacked my Irene down today but it’s been growing without any issues. Healthy with thinner blades on it and lots of branches for cuttings. Not ultra vigorous though but it’s nice to not have to worry about it either haha…
For sure, I have to figure out a better lighting setup. The weak strip lights I have are a bit too weak whereas the other tents with the QB style lights are too bright. I should check to see if I can dim them on the driver.
Sounds right to me. I definitely wouldn’t use it to ‘push’ cannabis, especially indoors. Seems like the risk is higher than the potential reward, but I also don’t really care about yield. I’m going to pick up a bottle of hydrolysate in a few weeks when my GC restocks, seems like a good thing to use (sparingly) going forward with the 1 GALS.
Chem 91 phone shot…
