The Central American landrace and heirloom thread (Part 1)

To be a little intellectually loose, I think the Arthurian metaphor could be appropriate in a few ways.

The Grail was perceived by those seeking it individually, on a personal basis, as everything in our individual realities. Those that saw it saw different things.

It was symbolic of something lost, desired to bring back a former harmony. Many of us in this rabbit hole are searching for something we once experienced.

This could go on indefinitely as quality metaphors will but the gist I think is everyone has their own Grail. On any given day oneā€™s body chemistry, mood and state of mind could meet the right melange of chemicals and result in what that one calls bliss. All the other factors mentioned before the chemicals will never be exactly the same, either.

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To carry that thought to something useful it seems to me the closer you get to ā€œnaturalā€ genetics from certain regions, mostly equatorial, the higher the differentiation and larger the palette of chemicals are present. Makes sense knowing that in the process of selecting FOR you are also selecting AGAINST.

The larger ā€œspectrumā€ of chemicals in an old landrace is, I believe, behind its consistent effectiveness. Gets you there every time. My $1.95

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Maybe Iā€™m wrong but I kind of think of it as exactly the opposite. The closer you get to the landrace cultivars the more of a mono-terpene profile becomes present and thus distinct, singular effects. As opposed to all the modern crappy pollen chucked polyhybrids.

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The old santa marta gold 60-70ā€™s(old slighty broader leaf type) was something very special . Unfortunately I dont think its around any more. Though worth looking for if you can find it.

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didnt they cut the Santa Marta down, mean ive never seen the pure variety only a few crosses of it, i wouldnā€™t mind trying some if i could find it, i think it would be on the checklist if i made one

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Iā€™m going to be in South America In Feb23, will be spending a few extra days in Buenos Aires, then down to Ushuaia, with a few stops along the way.
Iā€™ll have to try and figure out a way to grab some beans while Iā€™m down there.

Lob

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Whaaā€¦I envy youā€¦ye you will get some great weed in Argentina ā€¦especially in Ushuaia ā€¦en Tiera del fuego.

Your very lucky visiting such a lovely place in the world.

They did have a cannabis leaf in one of the regional flags if Iā€™m correct. Let us know how it goesā€¦and for sure source some seeds.
Bien viaje.

https://lonelycannabis.com/weed-in-ushuaia/ Argentina Weed Prices

In terms of prices for buying marijuana seeds in Argentina, it can vary largely depending on the quality you invest in and which seed bank you choose.

As for buying bud, the cheapest forms, such as paraguayo, can be picked up for just $5 per 10 grams. If you purchase more high-quality pot from a local grower, then you may be looking at $15-$30 for just one gram, a slightly inflated price for your tourist status. Some of the most popular known variants of marijuana seeds for sale include Northern Light, Royal Moby, Power Flower, and Royal Caramel, which are cultivated in Argentina due to the perfect climate for cannabis seed growth.

Ps notice the Royal in the strains ā€¦Royal queen seedsā€¦.they got into South America promoting there sales,many moons againā€¦the Dutch influence.

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50 years onā€¦.I doubt itā€™s still aroundā€¦ā€¦loads of Colombian weed was contaminated with euro Skunk , late 60s onwardsā€¦ Blame the Dutch.

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So glad someone understandsā€¦

By the way itā€™s Colombiaā€¦not Columbiaā€¦thatā€™s a city in the USA ā€¦and a sportswear companyā€¦yo ientendo.

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Thanks man, good information. South America appearingā€¦

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Thanks for the great info.
Iā€™d really like to find some ā€œheirloom/traditionalā€ seeds while Iā€™m there, some strains that are not common here in the US or Europe, where I can buy them easily.
Something unique!

Lob

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Youā€™ll have your work cut out for you if you want to find something local. Lots of Argentinians come up to the states, California in particular, to help with trimming at Harvest Time and they certainly go home with seeds. I wish I had some knowledge of what to look for. The Argentinians I met said that due to the strict laws they are afraid to grow. Thatā€™s in the capital though. Must be some good stuff in the hills or Pampas. @Lobstah .
Good luck! Look for the seedy stuffšŸ˜

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Somewhere up in the hills above someone is still growing it. Someone has to be. I highly doubt itā€™s what it used to be though. I think the Santa Marta gold was an heirloom hybrid, not a landrace. Today it would have lost its hybrid vigor and some of its punch. Similar to what has happened with my own variety over the last 30 years. You have to out-cross it for the magic to come back. Or you have to remake the Santa Marta hybrid yourself. What were those ingredients again? LOL!

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i agree, upstate its a possibility Santa Marta , and many Landraces were outcrossed.

And once you make seeds from it in a small Garden (in Panama or in the USA), over time it loses power trough inbreeding depression.

That part we agree the most , right, the inbreeding depression.

But this small Scale, single Garden reproductions over centuries is a worst Case caused by probhibition/or Hybridisation, overall its not even close what its used to be.
I dont draw conclusions from bad Scenarios.
Acording science inbreeding depression happens simply cause small numbered Populations. Following that, it would mean, a Landrace might not needed a Outcrossing of different species to avoid inbreeding depro.

I go more conform with what you once thought, that Landraces are not selected propperly anymore, wich is very likely, cause the stress caused by prohibition.
I mean would you cull half the illegal Plants after you risked your freedom for it? You let them all grow, right.

I beleive an inbreeding depressed isolated Family Line would even be superior, than nonselected Line grown fieldwise. I really dont think depression is mayor factor today in origin countries.

I mean Robert Clarke or who, prooved by genetic analysis, I SAID PROOVED that modern Indian is far more Genetically uniform than old Indian. In other words he prooved that southern Indian Samples today are Genetically pretty similar to northern Indian Samples.

I dont know if Santa Marta Columbian is the same Case tho. But this is a strong argument that hybridisation happens, i think he used also good amount samples, and he concluded Indian could be fairly hybredized today, he reported big Genetical Change.

Not saying you are wrong, i stay neutral.
But hybridisation i tend to believe happens, and if it does, might this be reason for changed Landraces?

In my view, i can imagine hybridisationalways happend always, just can. good to discuss all possibilities.

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wait in other words: Outcrossing two speciaes is probably appealing to the Eye, grows fast and healthy, its very tempting for small scale Landracelovers.

Its better to not loose vigor in the first place, and acording scientists thats perfectly possible without any outcrossing. Just need 2000 Plant big population

Big population OR Outcrossing work in that favor.

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Go to phylos, type in: Thai, then Columbian, then Mexicanā€¦

Its fascinating to see how many many samples of Thai show very pure.
Also the Mexican.
The Columbian samples are rarely showing pure.

Anyway, it shows that the most legendary Landraces like Thai and Mexican showed pure Samplesā€¦ The few Samples that are showing pure are from legendary Regionsā€¦
Can we trust phylos, that i dont know, tho.

(One of the fewer unpure Thais has description: collected in 1980ā€¦ lol)

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Sounds like a plan!

Letā€™s get the Double Panama done first. LOL

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DPā€¦a week today after the Flipā€¦Whaa there taking off now.

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Buckle up my friend! The flight beginsšŸ˜

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Phylos is a crap company with shady motives , I wouldnā€™t trust the info they put out there and I would take what RC says with a giant grain of salt. A lot of what they preach is geared towards promoting the idea that they have landraces and other people donā€™t.
With proprietary genetics becoming a bigger and bigger thing within the industry you have to look back at who was dutching things up in the first place while they were out collecting local varieties. If they can make it commonly accepted that all the landraces are contaminated and only they have the pure ones it realy limits what might be in the public domain going forward. I called phylos out from day one and people said I was paranoid, they did everything I said they would and a lot of people realy regret working with them or sending them samples. Supporting these people is supporting the end of cannabis as we know it. These are people who are hell bent on controlling and owning every aspect of our plant and some of them already give them selves way more credit then they deserve. How were they allowed to be who they are when so many others lost there freedom ā€¦

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