Well that’s a tight space, but I’ve grown full plants in as little as a pint of coco. My advice would be to use extra perlite, because the biggest problem I ran into was that the roots get very dense and drainage/aeration becomes an issue. In pints I had a watering system that would feed 5-6x/day. In quarts, I’d think you’ll need to water probably 3-4x at peak.
When you run small pots, you really learn their habits. High watering frequency during bud set and stretch and then gradually back off again until finish.
I’ll take pictures of my seedlings. You can determine the dwarf trait when they are still seedlings, so that’s nice. The regular dwarf is one recessive (1 in 4). I’m not sure if I will be able to tell the dwarf from the micro until they’re a little bigger, but I want both anyway.
I’ll toss up some pics on occasion. They’re very fun to work with, and it’s nice having no limitations or concerns with numbers. Secondly, tomatoes self pollinate and are easy to inbreed. They’re more difficult to cross pollinate if anything. They are worthwhile growing indoors, but full size indeterminants are difficult to manage. Regular dwarfs usually stay about 3-5ft, which is much easier to manage.
I have a few projects for my favorites varieties. My current project is a cross of a French heirloom called Jaune Flamme and a micro dwarf called fat frog. F1s are really tasty and kept the saladette shape, which is what I’m going to retain in the regular dwarf version.
Thanks for the heads up… I’m planning 50% perlite, hopefully that’s enough. They will be in flood trays so I should be able to dial in the number of waterings.
Ohhhhhhhhh… Ok, I was trying to figure out how you would flower out 300 plants haha… Very cool, definitely interested in seeing those pics.
Here’s some tomatoes and some wacky tomatoes. I did a ton of pruning on them last weekend, and planted some new ones. Lucky tiger (regular leaf) and emmy (potato leaf).
The orange saladettes are f1, and the have the dwarfing trait that I’ll select in the f2.
For the Syrian/leb I think I spot a dwarf in there might be too soon to know for sure, but looks different to me!
I’ll give it a few more weeks to be sure, but I’m leaning toward 1/5 in those. Then I’ll start a bunch more to pick through. Gonna be a lot of plants pretty soon I think.
I wouldn’t mind that one being a front runner male either. Might be nice to stash some pollen ahead of time.
Incidentally, some of these have started showing sex and developing parts. Then I remembered my tent might be set to 14/10. I need to check, because that would be interesting.
I’m going to kill all the big ones anyway. I think there’s 3 males showing. The dwarf and the other are probably females then. I’ve yet to see a male dwarf, or at least I don’t think so. Do they even exist?
Answers to all these questions and more, coming soon.
Oh cool! I didn’t know freakshow was that way. I was reflecting on why this doesn’t seem to be a normal recessive the other day. I think sex linked would answer some questions for me.
I’m not yet sure that is the case, but I’ll know pretty soon. Biologically, tall males have an advantage, so it would seem to make sense that the trait is only carried on the X chromosome.
Today, I pulled my F2 tomatoes from their starter cells and sorted them. I believe the bottom row are regular indeterminate, the top row are possible dwarf and micros off to the side.
I see two different leaf shapes in the dwarf. The slightly larger, smoother shape seems to be occurring in dominant frequency (8x). The smaller, jagged probably recessive (2x).
In the cannabis sprouts, I think I can identify the dwarves already. My current theory is that the trait is sex linked and recessive, which will be determined once I can sex these plants.
If I counted correctly, 10-11 are dwarf out of ~48, which is about the right ratio. I checked my light schedule, and it was indeed set to 14/10. So these are probably “semi-auto”, meaning that outside, they should start flowering earlier in summer. I think that’s a good thing for where I live…
I’ve set my light schedule back to 18/6, but I’m not 100% that will reveg the female I’ve hung onto. Maybe I should set it to 24/0 for a while. Might be a good idea to take some clones if I can get the time.
might be too soon to know for sure, but looks different to me!
plants pretty soon I think.
