The Ebner Effect on Cannabis seed

[spaceman]

Hey folks, due to some eyestrain, I have a quick update.

Golden Tiger x Blue Dream 1yr seed test survivors.
All are yellowed from not being transplanted on time, 6-8 days late.
Treateds (2) are in the middle. Not much to see here atm.
Repotted in 1gal containers with 4 1/2 spikes of TLO mix.

Inside of my new 2x2x4 foot tent through the cool green tint viewing door. A very nice option.
Inside are the TigerJack female clones. Treated on left, control right.

They are under a 6000-6500 range 50 watt Ledmo floodlight. 24/0
I want these to monster so I can get clones for my bud. Still have a remnant of of bud.

Cool light around $20 I think.
Ledmos are cool cuz the glass cover is held in place by a type of spring clamp, ez on ez off.
It puts out a lot of bluer light and I want no flowering light temps.

Sneak peek of some very early, extremely dense flowering porn for a post hopefully later this weekend.
To those who discounted this lil’ EFG would show any effects, here ya go!

[spaceman]

Back again with the weekend update.

Here is “F” from the 10 yr control group showing her sex. Awful shy for such a big gal.

Here is F in center with 3 on the left and 1 on right.
Without exception, each treated plant is dwarfed by the control specimens of the group.

Here is “1” from the treated 10 yr group.
This one showed no peculiarities with normal flowering.

Here is “3” from the treated 10 yr group.
Just bursting with flowers, sorta strange looking flowers I’d say.
Doing much better in a new pot with a basic sol mix and no nutes.

Here is the treated 7 yr seed on left with “F” on right in size comparison.
This poor gal survived my stupidity in nearly drowning her.

I had to take measures as root aphids have showed up, rice hulls as a physical barrier and mosquito bits(BT) in the soil.

Yellow sticky traps as well.

That’s all for now.

[spaceman]

Just keeping track. Not a fan of scrolling.

“#3 has presently shown no unusual development.”

And #1 was the one that had primary leaf deformation and clockwise swirl early on.

[spaceman]

Update.
Golden Tiger x Blue Dream 1 yr old seed.

Potted up to 1 gal. late last week.
Plants are slowly recovering from not being repotted on time.
As we have seen before, treated plants are much smaller than the controls.

Treated.

Control.

That’s all for now.

[spaceman]

All plant update.
This was gonna be a long post but the door bell and phone keep interrupting.

Here are three of the Golden Tiger x Blue Dream control plants.
The middle guy is a guy so buh-bye.
(Actually have been seeing a higher than usual number of females this season, kow.)

His name was C3

Moving on, the two treated seed T3 and T4 plus C4.
These three have the same stature, the other two, C1 and C2 are 2X the height.

I’ll probably send C1 and C2 off to my buddy and only keep C4 as a comparison.
You’ll see why a little further down.

T3

T4

Here’s why
These are some leggy ladies.
#1 from the treated, ten yr old seed group. 15"

Standing in at 23" is treated from the 7 yr old group. #1 on right.

#1 flower set,

#3

#3 flower set.

Depending on the potency and repeatability, a short statured, dense flowering sativa could be quite the boon for indoor growers.
Because, as sativa growers know only too well, here is F from the 10 yr control group.
Maybe I’ll rename her “Boo Boo”.

Hopefully this is opening some eyes around here, minds too.

[spaceman]

Clone testing the EFG.

Trying again with some clones, took 3 off of “F” from the ten yr old control group.
Coco coir this time, boiled for 20 mins and rinsed 3 times. Burpee coir runs salty.
One in the EFG:

And two out:

The one on the left is sprinkled and mixed with paramagnetic rock.
The right one is plain.
No hormones.
I didn’t soak these in h2o for 15 min like I usually do and the last two showed wilting initially, the one in the EFG showed none, like my first test.

[spaceman]

@spaceman

Just now discovered Mark Burch has purged his vids.
He had several experiments going, one was corn seed, the other chicken eggs.
Pretty much vids of his setups, none had results yet.
I have access to those missing vids, I’ll write him later if he’ll let me repost them.

Just found out my comments aren’t showing up on youtube.
wtf?

[spaceman]

Sorry for the delay in updates.
Working through a sprained ankle.
Wasn’t able to tend to the plants for several days and when I could my yellow sticky trap was full of fungus gnats. These were my Tiger Jack monster clones and a reveg.
Someone used non sterilized Burpee Starting soil for their flowers.

Here is the aftermath, the reveg and the control clone are showing overwatering stress due to an overnight soaking in soapy water. Incidentally the one in the middle doing well was exposed to the EFG.

The last round of clones, the big one was exposed to the EFG for 24 hrs. Based on the literature @anon4675195 provided upthread.

I have some root porn but was taken by my tablet and are poor quality.
The EFG clone and paramagnetic rock test clones were showing nubs at 7 days.
However the control showed 1/4" root!

Here are residents of my flower tent.
The 7yr old treated exploded with unrestrainable sativa growth and I had to take her out.
C4 from the GTxBD control group turned out male.

From the lower right going counter clockwise:
“F” control
#3 treated
T4 treated
#1 treated
T3 treated
C1 control next to #3
C2 control bottom left

#1, reaching.

Now for the bad news.
Last night my timer failed to turn off my lights, may have happened two other nights as well.

Aaaargh!

[spaceman]

Partial update.
Pic comparison of #3 treated and Control 2.

Close ups of 3 Treated,

Close up of Control 2

To my eye, the seed bracts of 3 Treated are more swollen and the flowers have a strange, fleshy, tentacle-like feel that doesn’t come through in the pics.

[spaceman]

Sorry but probably no updates except this for maybe a week.
Busy time of year. Regular garden seeds need planting.
So just a quick what’s new w/o pics.
#3 is still a dwarf but heavily flowered.
#1 is still in stretch though showing signs of slowing.
Same with Control 1 + 2
F is suffering some malady after I chopped the broken top off,(it had 70-80% amber trichs.)
T 3+4 are still stretching - other than stature(shorties) no peculiarities.

The 3 clones I took from F had 2 take root, the treated and control and are in 24hr light. The one with paramagnetic rock didn’t make it.

I have to attribute mosquito bits infused water (2 tbp per gallon distilled or rain) having really controlled my gnat troubles. I saw only one this week as I moved my wife’s flower pots around and not a sign in my tents.

Upthread I mentioned a faulty timer issue. Never had one fail before.
This is the one:

[OniTenshu]

How do you make the water with the bits? Just stir and water in?

[spaceman]

Yep, just stir it in and wait an hour or two, helps if it’s somewhat warm, 70-ish F.
Rainwater or distilled only.
I’ve waited as long as 4 hours.
The water gets thick and sorta milky the longer you wait.
Probably work best as a dunk. 2nd best would be a drench.
Those bits don’t dissolve but the cultures are in the voids in the bits.
Usually they sink when saturated.
You can strain them out, maybe reuse them once or twice. I toss 'em.
Good luck!

[OniTenshu]

I’ll have to get back to using my bits in the regimen again. I’ve seen a few flyers. It took them a long time to get around the tent too. They regularly seem to die off on their own, so it does appear I still have the bti in my soil alive and well.

[spaceman]

Hey Oni,
Just wanted to give you the latest on my gnat population.
I was out of town for a few days and on my return I had about 40 gnats in both my flowering/experiment tent sticky trap and roughly 60 on my wife’s flower stand, 2 sticky traps.
My veg tent has none.
So the bits only provide control not a fix.

I think the bits are used most effectively in loose, well aerated soil mixes that need frequent watering. You can mix a new batch of bits with each watering. Last year I used a very high proportion (50%) perlite mix to 50% TLO mix and this approach worked well.
I chose a heavier mix(30% perlite) initially cuz I started off with air pots which dry out much quicker than solid walled pots. That soil is now in the solid walled pots I potted up to.

Online several sites describe using H2O / H2O2(3%) mix as a bottom soak as a fix.
The key is to keep the ratios high enough to kill gnat larvae but not hurt the plants.
Some sites recommend a 4 part H2O to 1 part H2O2 soak but I found this damaged the plants that I tried that on.
The other half I used 7 part H2O to 1 part H2O2 which didn’t seem to affect the plants at all but apparently has fixed the gnat population completely.
No additional gnats for 5 days now.

Anyway, the tech I used was to bottom soak the pots in an inch or so of 7/1 for 5 days. The extra O2 in hydrogen peroxide keeps the plants healthy despite the long soaking.
3% Hydrogen peroxide is 88¢ at walmart for 32 oz… or food grade 30% H2O2 can be reduced to 3% by cutting it with 11 parts distilled water, then add 7 more parts to the resulting mix for the soak.

I’m putting together an update, hope to have it soon.

[spaceman]

Here is the effect 4 h2o/1 h2o2 had on my plants the 1st day after starting the soak.
T4 just drooped over. Now, after a rain water rinse, she is slowly straightening up.
“3” and “F” both suffered from 4/1 and I chopped them both. More on their fate in another post.

Here is “1”, the tallest plant. Along with “7” and “3” demonstrate opposite extremes in plant growth from the Ebner device. Gonna chop her tomorrow. If I remember I’ll get her length.
“7” would easily have been twice her height now.

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C1
Still has a few weeks to go.

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T3
Ditto C1 above.

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Clones from dearly departed “F”.

They are monstering quite well and I aim to get 12 clones, the legal max, to my buddy for his next grow.
Very smelly “F” is.
I’ll donate those momssters to one his pals who has an outdoor cage. Glad I’m not his neighbor.

[OniTenshu]

Somehow my population is just dead now. I haven’t seen one in awhile now.

[spaceman]

Here are the last two good pics I have of “3” and “F”.

3

“F”

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“3” chopped and dried

5.5 "
2.4 grams

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“F” chopped…

…and dried.
2.4 grams also and maybe a bit less as I see now a bit of stem in that bag.

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Root mass from both.
It is apparent now that my soil mix was way too heavy from the get go.
“3” roots were confined to a 3" ball, whereas “F” extended well into the pot.

A consistency I noticed was Ebner treated plants suffered in high nutrient mix and seemed to do much better with less.

Smoke report up coming…

[spaceman]

Sorry no smoke report yet.
C2 and T4

C2 showing 60%+ amber

C1 and T3

C1 amber

T3

So we can see differences in overall size and maturity in these examples.
The Ebner treated seed in this round were 40% smaller than untreated seed and are about a week or two behind as well.

Based on this experience, and accepting the irregularities in my setup, the Ebner treatment still has a definite effect on cannabis seed growth.
The first round showed the device aided in sprouting old seed but actually delayed sprouting slightly in the second round with fresh seed.
The other observation is the device is capable of prompting both extremes in growth, mini plants such as “3”, T3 and T4 .
“1” and especially “7” showed the exact opposite.
Due to my cramped setup “7” had to be taken out but only after it had shot up to the top of my tent and then broke in half.
(btw “1” was 24" above ground, making it the tallest of the bunch to make it to harvest, weigh-in results soon.)

This will pretty much end the growth portion of this trial, except for a harvest report and a smoke report which will take place over a 2 day period.

More later…

[spaceman]

Smoke(vape) report “3” and “1”, both treated.

Last evening loaded up a vape bowl of “3” top bud and vaped the whole 5min cycle… and not much of a high.
“3” was the weird, mini plant that I somehow imagined would have me seeing stars, no such luck I’m sorry to report. A dud.
After an hour and a half I did the same trick but this time with “1” … and did not finish the bowl. Super strong piney/sour/skunk aroma and heavy, hard hitting paranoia high. Whew.
After looking out all of my windows and checking the door locks twice I settled down a bit and tried to watch a little tv but my mind kept jumping around and couldn’t focus.
This reminded me of a strong sativa high that had been in flower too long.
This type of smoke is best for bright daylight - summertime tubing on the lake and I’ll reserve “1” for that.

Tonight “F” will be shown the bowl…

[spaceman]

A little discussion and a big crow eating session from me as I blame the following flub up to having recently been given my first vape pen from a good friend. Galactic Jack; 85% THC | 0% CBD

Apologies to the readers of this thread for the flub but Galactic Jack must have Jack Herer in it’s lineage because I get the same energetic ride from it that JH used to give me.
I don’t really get that from my own JH crosses.

Any way, this am’s smoke report erroneously stated “3” as being tested and a dud.
Actually, “F” is the one that was tested.

Here is the corrected roundup of this experiment:

If you recall F weighed in the same as 3 but was a collection of small tops because some bonehead was too lazy to figure out a fan setup for my new tents and also being a clumsy bonehead managed to decapitate F as well as 7 early on in this test.

This is 3.

I kept it separate from the others in a mason jar to keep the bud intact.

So this was my next step.

As I write this, 3 provides a smooth, contemplative buzz that is the polar opposite of the terrifying 1.

So now, while this is a wholly subjective report, the Ebner device is giving me direct evidence of being able to alter the character and intensity of the high.
While I was curious to what difference this device might have on the quality of the high, I certainly didn’t expect this.
These seeds(1, 3 and F) are from the same plant!

“Make of this what you will.” (h/t Stroppy Me @ youtube)

About smell,:
3 has a slightly disagreeable sour odor,
1 does too with a skunk overlay.
F is pure skunk.
C 1 + 2 have a smell reminiscent of piney grapefruit, a very elusive yet pleasant odor.
T 3 +4 is similar, less intense with an acrid, sharp undertone.
I’ll compare the 2 this weekend.

btw, the bag marked “outdoor” is last years outdoor grow that I just happened to find in my garage this week!
I can compare anything to this pot as it sets the bar for me for potency, nothing beats outdoor, imo.

It looks like I will be trying this experiment again, with a tighter setup.
More to come…