Late in the grow, I decided to experiment with a unknown fertilizer, and it appears I salted them to death.
3gal fabric pots. Random soil and perlite. Mostly fed fish fert.
Towards the end, I dusted one of the plants with pollen from a super top secret chocolate strain that turned out really well for me. I really enjoyed that particular growing habit and the end product quality was impressive. In the end, it only made a handful of seeds. Out of those, only one single plant survived to carry both chocolate and mutant genes. More on that later.
The pile of seeds below is ABC x ABC, for preservation.
Very cool, that ABC has always intrigued me, I was following Caleb’s work etc for a while. This , Freakshow and greenspoon are the 3 true mutant looking plants I can think of, well subterfuge……?idk very cool regardless, down to see what comes next for sure @RatsboggleBiological
Got more coming here eventually, just trying to get organized and think about the next culls and propagation strategies.
Plan #1 is to recover the nearly lost super secret chocolate genetics I mentioned earlier. No more seeds of this fire, and it seems like it would be difficult to get from the original breeder, but I feel like it has to be preserved. So, the theoretical plan is to up pot, grow out a little for branches, snag a handful of clones, and try to reverse one and hit some with Doug’s pollen. Maybe hit it with some other pollen too, depends how well the cloning goes. This seems doable, from seed it was a wacky mess and looked like a reveg! I’m wondering if the ABC genetics in it caused it to emerge strangely. The first dozen leaves were not typical and were highly irregular. It reverted to normal leaf shape, and appears to be a candidate for cloning.
Plan #2 is the duckfoot genetic. Not sure what will happen with this one. Supposed to be auto but no signs of sex. Makes me a little nervous but the volume of soil is VERY high especially for an auto, so maybe it is too happy to flower out yet? I’m wondering if I should turn down the photoperiod to regular flowering hours… holding off on that, it’s hard to tell what will go down. Im wondering if some rootzone stress would help, like maybe it needs a hard dryback to induce sex signs. Simultaneously happy and frustrated, time will tell as it always does.
Plan #3 is more watching and waiting. Bastard hybrid genetics. One should go towards preserving the existing hybrid line, the other should go towards furthering the hybrid, with a focus on flower development.
I’d really like to see a THCV line happen. I had high hopes for the “Free The V” strain but it seems like that thread died out with no word. So, if you have any THCV strains, please hit me up! I’d love to chat about it, photo or auto or anything, I desperately need to get on some THCV production for medical purposes.
Plan #1 has taken a serious, head-boggling left turn!
It started weird, and then I thought it was normalizing… but its getting WEIRDER!
I think this plant turned out to be fasciated! That weird stem gets suddenly bulbous… and then it shoots off into what appears to be obviously fasciated. This is the other mutant form I never expected to see! @middleman have you seen this on any of your ABC crosses?!
It’s definitely flat… and weird… Remember, this is a seed grown plant, this is NOT a clone, and it is NOT revegging. Constant 18/6 photoperiod. TIME WILL TELL
EDIT: Quick reading suggest fasciation can be genetic, environmental, or pathological (bacterial or viral.) I was thinking about culling it entirely, but this particular plant seems to still be growing vigorously, and it does contain genetics of bud I thought was high quality, so I’m going to up pot it and keep a close eye in isolation. I think it would make a lot of sense to hit it with STS. That way, I can get some fem S1 and possibly hit another plant with it, which may reduce the chance of bacterial or viral transfer if that is indeed the problem. On the other hand, it could turn out male - in which case, it would similarly make sense to grow it out through flower and try to transfer that pollen to something else. Maybe some BOG gear… maybe some old COPA gear I had laying around.
Maybe it’s worth it to try swabbing the plant to agar and see if any Rhodococcus pops up that could help differentiate causes. While I have previously grown tobacco, I haven’t done so in a long time and it doesn’t seem likely to be a transfer vector. Considering this plant came from a bastard/mutant cannabis plant crossed with regular pollen, it does seem more likely it originates from genetic troubles.
My environmental conditions or specific environmental exposures could be a reason, but that is a much longer checklist to evaluate. I am not sure what would cause that and it requires more study.
More information about Rhodococcus from Wikipedia:
Role of phytohormones during infection
All the effects of R. fascians infection can be attributed to hormone hyperdosage. In particular, most of the effects are connected to auxin and cytokinin, such as: formation of green islands on leaves, wrinkling of laminae, bud proliferation, delay of senescence, and inhibition of lateral roots. In fact, R. fascians can produce itself cytokinin, or cytokinin-like compounds: using orf4 and orf5 in the fas operon, it can stimulate infected plants to produce cytokinin, and it can produce indole-3-acetic acid itself, using a pathway starting from tryptophan and passing through production of 3-indol-piruvic acid and 3-indol-acetaldeid.[6]R.fascians can also degrade cytokinin to influence the cytokinin/auxin ratio.[citation needed]
Beside cytokinin and auxin, R. fascians acts on other hormones: in particular, it can block abscisic acid and gibberellic acid synthesis in infected plants. Abscisic acid represses growth, so a block of production is needed to allow proliferation of cells in leafy galls. Gibberellic acid controls cellular differentiation, so its block is needed for maintenance of meristematic cells and for their proliferation.[5]
So, if you have any THCV strains, please hit me up! I’d love to chat about it, photo or auto or anything, I desperately need to get on some THCV production for medical purposes.
