Idk how many herms you qualify out of 1500 seeds to be a herm filled line?
Let me know what’s acceptable to you and I’ll tell you if you should pop them or not.
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You can Google ways to fix it according to individual taste and standards. Most people don’t even bother to check lol. Every tent is the same these days pretty much.
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What do you guys think is normal % intersex in general in a cannabis line?
Some of you guys pay 500 a pack for shit so I’m curious to know what you get out of them 500 packs?
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I always thought and read that hermies could be created by condition. If that’s true, it would be congruent with ability to make it happen oneself. If this ability is stronger than a strains characteristics, we have no basis to operate from. But that said, i have never had a hermie in 30 years of growing, I don’t know why. I’m sloppy, unorganized and generally not operating under optimum conditions.
My plants face FL bugs, sun and wind rains that knock them over regular. But no hermies. I am willing to try anything to learn, but this is something that puzzles me. Why.
After thinking about it I realize I may never have known about a hermie if it went full male before I saw it, only in woods once a week or so.
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honestly Ive never cared to worry about light leaks and total darkness. the plants dint get total darkness outside and if a few pinholes cause that shit to go intersex, then I don’t want it.
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I don’t believe in light leaks. I grow and pollen chuck with light leaks. Unless it’s a constant bright light. I’ve been in lightning so bad that everything around me went completely white. Thought I got struck and died for a few seconds. So I strongly believe light leaks are a myth. Otherwise, all kinds of outdoor would herm throughout every storm.
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Firstly, I never said anything about a “herm filled line”. I was merely repeating what someone else had just posted, and quoting what you had previously said: “I’d be pretty silly to breed a herm line for 8 years…”
From what has already been described to you, 2 growers who got the same seeds as me (from your GG4 RIL seed run) got one apparent female from their 2 packs… That’s 1 out of 20 that aren’t hermies or males. Those are real numbers experienced by experienced growers using the same seeds that I have.
I know you’ve recently said to expect 5% hermies, but for some growers, the actual numbers are nothing close to 5%…
As I said, if I do pop them, I’ll just be extra vigilant in my efforts to identify hermies, and pray I get at least one keeper lady. If that happens, I’ll be very happy.
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On the subject, there are many reasons a plant will herm. Depends on the plants ability to balance out its fluctuation of ethylene and gibberellin under stress. I’ve cause intersex by starvation, Overfeeding, too much PK, too cold of temps, VPD fluctuations/improper VPD, not backing off feeds before flush, flashing diodes. Every plant will respond to stress differently. So it’s not the breeders fault, as much as the plants individuality. There are like 200 different fluctuations of these hormones than can cause intersex. We can’t stress test them all. Lol.
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I ran 5 citral glue from Ethos before I knew better about two yrs ago, and four out of five hermed hard in the third week of flowering. So far out of 22 TG GB crosses I have two that were chopped due to a few (3) sterile male flowers after my power went out for two days. My 12 Sowah Grapefruit are all solid and I’ve been watching them as always. Be vigilant and carry on!
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and for @Chronickyle’s reference 
I’m that guy, unfortunately, and yes, the growshow RIL males I grew out from that 10-pack threw some calyx’s on the top nodes with hairs popping out, after a week or two of producing nothing but balls all over it. That’s to go with all the girls that sprouted balls on the first node of every branch after putting out calyx’s with hairs everywhere else for a week beforehand.
I still got the Gold pack that I’m holding out hope for though… they’ll get ran at some point here 
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Ya so you quoted me so I’m asking you how many herms out of 1500 you think is an average rate?
I’ll tell you one thing, run 500 of my gear next to 500 of seedjunky gear and I’ll bet you get more value out of mine. Where is his thread where he shows parents and answers questions I might have missed it.
I’m not sure if you understand much of statistics and probability work but if I said 5% or 10% that doesn’t mean every single person will get .5 or 1 per 10.
I’m not god. I’ve passed out like 3 all male packs in 10 years too. Good thing the wrong guy didn’t get 1 of those.
I’d just get rid of that pack if I was you, quit agonizing over it and go chase seed junky down for some retribution.
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lol…in fact, I do understand statistics quite well, thank you.
@Tonygreen, I can see I’ve struck a nerve with my posts, but that wasn’t my intention. I’m just adding commentary to someone else’s post who got 1 apparent female out of his pack, and his mentioning of another grower who got 100% hermies out of his:
But if I’m being totally honest with you, when you had this exchange with @Seamonkey84:
…I regret that your answer didn’t include your claim of 5% hermies.
Haha…I’m not agonizing over anything, but thank you for checking out my Wedding Cake thread. Yeah, it’s a bummer about what happened there. Unfortunately, I wasn’t aware that some of Junky Seeds Genetics’ gear was filled with hermie issues until it was too late. Fortunately, 30 of us pitched in to acquire those seeds, so the pain was spread thinner than if all of it came out of my pocket. I guess you could say my Wedding Cake thread was my retribution. When you Google Seed Junky Genetics herm - it’s the top result. 
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Haven’t struck a nerve at all. You know yourself with an intersex p1 you can’t eliminate intersex issues entirely, especially backcrossing to it.
I’ve said 5% roughly over and over multiple times. My descriptions also included Chuck the weirdos and sort through the gold multiple times. Easy enough to miss I guess, I get pms asking the lineage and it was almost a year long thread. I’ve not once said zero herms, herms were also culled in the selection process if you remember. The amount of intersex I’ve seen in the last 2 years wouldn’t have me calling this a herm filled line.
Ethos pulled one of his glue lines because it was all herms. That’s what happens when you pick the wrong male. I’ve got 2 females in flower right now so it’s not 100%. I beat him at least ha.
Nobody is answering though, what’s the average herm % in an average cannabis line? JW thought it was around 10%. I guess once we get over 75 herms from this lot you can tell me I’m wrong about the 5%. Most people I know aren’t lucky enough to grow 30 years with no herms. We just chuck em and move on to the task at hand, finding fire. And plenty of that’s been found here in the last 2 years RIL has been around.
That’s about 5 minutes more of response than you’ll ever get from seed junky or ethos.
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Hey Tony,
I guess it depends on the genetics for the percentage. I’ve only had 3 full blown herms within the last 5 years and close to 100 packs of various breeders 3,5 and 10 packs and freebies popped. If I had to guess the amount of different breeders maybe 16 different breeders I have way too many beans and started popping a pack every full moon in a perpetual grow for the last 5 years with relentless culling. With that said, I’ve had numerous herms on South East Asia lines with a Thai lineages, close to 50% but it is to be expected unless heavily worked.
These are the lines that I fully expect some herms:
50-75% - Most landraces due to different environments at which they have been taken from.
At least 8% - Cookies, GG and Chem lines.
At least 2% - on most breeder that I have never grown genetics from.
What is a acceptable amount of herms?
Depends on the grower. I myself find the acceptable amount to be in the 5% range on worked lines with known herm genetics and up to 10% on known herm genetics but not worked.
I’ve also had lines in which the popped seeds hermed but the cuts taken have never hermed and don’t know why. Same environment, pot size and ferts, just the cuts never hermed so I always do a second run if it’s a keeper.
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@Tonygreen
What cause’s those little green seeds in the calyxes
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I think it’s heat. I have seen that only at the top of the canopy in the final week or two before takedown. Just my theory
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too add ALL seeds have the “hermie” gene - stress seems to bring them out
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If you think light leaks don’t cause intersex traits to express, I mean you’re arguing against 70+ years of common knowledge.
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I will add my story, I grow just a couple plants a few times a year so my experience is very small compared to other growers on here. I had one of my gorilla bubble herm on me from @Tonygreen and I suspected a day in my room that i forgot to plug in the AC and temps got hot in my little room. I had already taken clones from the plant that had hermed on me and since I was short on time and I actually didnt get a whole lot of seeds-I decided to run the plant that hermed again. No seeds from the second round from the same plant. So 100% environment issue and user error in this case. It is the best herb i personally have grown and am bummed I didnt take clones again! I will run Tonys gear ANY day and look forward to grabbin more of his work!
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Man… i got this thing about when I see people dogging on breeders in a public forum. I go ahead and buy moar packs from them!! Count me in for a pack of whatever he’s complaining about.
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