Exactly. Shotguns do not increase hit probability; if you’re not a good shot, you’ll just be wasting a different type of ammo. Shotguns are good for close quarter because of multiple wound channels. My folks were EMTs and my mother was an ER nurse, so I met a lot of medical personnel and they all said shotguns wounds are the worst. I believe them, since one round of 00 buckshot does more damage than a burst from an SMG (SubMachineGun). My shotgun used to be my “OH SHIT!” gun, but now that role has gone to my AR. Don’t let its size fool you, the 5.56 (.223 There is a difference between 5.56 and .223. The external dimensions are the same, but the 5.56 has a thicker case for a hotter load) is a nasty little bastard. Even “ball” (military Full Metal Jacket, FMJ) tumbles and fragments, causing all sorts of damage. The maximum effective range is 300 meters, while buckshot’s range is less than 1/10th of that. Slugs are best used at 100 meters or less, but it’s deadly at longer ranges, IF you can hit a target that far away (very difficult, as the trajectory is pretty steep). Slugs are very powerful, about equivalent to a 30-06 in terms of Foot Pounds of Energy (FPE) or “Joules” (for those of you who haven’t put a man on the moon, just kidding).
Back when I was in WA, I had a Mk18 clone.
That fireball out the barrel was no joke.
The 10.5" shaves a bunch of speed off, but it still inflicts hydrostatic shock with its terminal ballistics.
Thats what I used to sleep with in the bed with me.
25m & less a shotgun is hard to argue with . I do agree it’s a much better defensively than for assaulting a position .When I was active squad members were discouraged from shotguns as it cut down on squad firepower . Even in the bushes the M16 was better . The old M193 did tumble & fragment , the newer NATO stuff especially out a shorter barrel I doubt it . 12 gauge slug will work on big bears , pretty much overkill on bambi or two-legged varmits .
Getting the federal government involved seldom ends well. Their heavy-handed, one-size-fits-all approach can create as many problems as it “solves.” I tell people all the time they’ll rue the day they got the feds involved. Think of bureaucracy like an organism: it grows, it consumes and it multiplies, seeking to fill every available space. It’s almost like we have a bureaucratic caste (for lack of better terms). I call it “Bureaustocracy.”
“Scratch a conservative and you find someone who prefers the past over any future. Scratch a liberal and find a closet aristocrat. It’s true! Liberal governments always develop into aristocracies. The bureaucracies betray the true intent of people who form such governments. Right from the first, the little people who formed the governments which promised to equalize the social burdens found themselves suddenly in the hands of bureaucratic aristocracies. Of course, all bureaucracies follow this pattern, but what a hypocrisy to find this even under a communized banner." -Leto II, God Emperor of Dune
Regan was right …" I’m from the Federal Gov’t & I’m here to help "…words no self-reliant free American wants to hear . IMHO Mr. Revenuer you can carry yo’ ass…
i had my annual checkup at the VA today.
they asked a couple new zingers -
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what sexual orientation do you follow ?
A. hetero
B.homo
C. BI
D.refuse to answer -
What pronouns do you prefer ?
[[ I asked her if we really had to know that answer ]]
I got the same new questions at my last physical at the VA too. The nurse was obviously uncomfortable asking them and I felt bad for her. Guess it’s a new policy.
You get it. The max effective range of an assault rifle is 500 meters for point targets and 800 meters for area targets. Depending on the conflict, the number of rounds used to kill one enemy combatant is very high. It was around 100,000 in Vietnam, but closer to 20,000 in Iraq (those are rough estimates). The difference is likely due to better training and not having full auto on our rifles. The Army is really big on PID, Positive IDentification. It’s also one of the cardinal rules of firearm safety (Know what you’re shooting at and what’s around/behind it).
There was an interesting investigation where Marines were facing charges for murder in Iraq in the mid 2000’s.
What happened was enemy combatants were found dead, with shits to the T-Zone of their faces.
So JAG hops to and shouts that Marines are executing civilians.
Problem is, there was no star pattering.
After doing tests, they realized that the Marines were engaging from rooftops around 300m away and their M16s with an ACOG were perfect for hitting the t-zone at that point-blank distance.
I was in country when that happened. I can understand why command launched an investigation, but it sucked for the accused. Contrary to what desk experts might say, our service riles (in the Marines’ case, M16A4) are perfectly good and very accurate. Add an ACOG and you’ve got a tack-driver.
What the hell kind of medical question is that? Why would they need to ask it or need to know?
Another waste of time…
I agree about full-auto , but you guys had optical sights in the sandbox . Added plus was y’all were often able to actually see your enemy also . FWIW my unit stuck with semi-auto & when full auto was encountered we adjusted fire on it .
its this inclusion shit spreading everywhere.
i mean everywhere - at the public library today and the cashier’s badge said she/her in the bottom corner…
Yes, optical sights are nice, but it’s the man, not the machine. We also made damn sure our irons were on when we deployed. Some units had their guys shoot with irons. Hell, I spent as much on the irons for my AR as I did the optic. The irons are so nice, I’m looking for any excuse to take the off the optic (kind of joking, but not really; irons never run out of batteries). My wife’s AR has the old-school carrying handle, which she actually prefers. The first time she shot it, she was expecting a lot of recoil (she kept my shotgun when we separated (we’re back together now), which she didn’t want to shoot unless she had to and never even considering firing my .300 Win Mag), and was very surprised when there was very little. The rifle is also ergonomic and the 5.56 is a nasty little bastard, and there are 30 of them. She’s good.
I can empathize with “other” and I believe in equal rights for every person, under the constitution and couldn’t care less how they self identify…It.doesn’t effect me or my rights. I’m sure there were some that identified as other, like the Navy Seal who came out that identified as female, that I’d trust to keep me alive in a bad situation. I guarantee we all served with gays and never knew it, but you could trust with your life.
But It really gets confusing with They/Them etc.
In this case, a simple name tag should be enough.
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I dont judge anyone, lifes too short
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can’t agree more , simple name tag would be enough…
Right! agreed.
A boy named Sue…
That is one of my favorite Johnny Cash songs!
Anyone got an opinion on the VA care outside the VA hospital? We have a team that comes to the Legion, mostly for physicals but, also med checks etc. I know they are cheaper than what I used to pay, with my old health care plan, through my old employers plan. They do some coordinating with my Doc. Since we live almost an hr. Away from any VA facility.
My Medicare Co-pays are slightly lower, at least on the meds I take.