yep, exactly, I just couldn’t remember it was a thermocoupler lol!
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I get what you are both saying. Yes, there is a thermocouple right there in the flame of the pilot. But, it stays lit when the faux logs are not in place. I put the faux logs in place and the pilot goes out.
And, this looks to be a “Duel Fuel” heater. There are 2 pilot assemblies, including 2 thermocouples.
Note: There are also Piezo igniters in the assemblies but the one for the propane has never worked. I have use a long-nosed lighter in there. Especially when the faux logs are in place. The pilots are behind and under the faux logs
I don’t think the thermocouple in the flame now is causing the problem - going out when faux log is on top of the pilot assemblieS (both of them).
This is my hypothetical opinion - there is a chance the second thermocouple is causing the pilot to go out.
Again, hypothetical. I have no danged idea why it is doing what it is doing.
I think the positioning of the faux logs ‘might’ be part of the problem. Maybe the holes that peg them in place relative to each other are wallered out causing that top log to sag down into the pilot assemblies.
I do appreciate you both for adding to the discussion. 
It has me puzzled, frustrated, and busy messing with it when I have other things that need done.
Thanks again, fellas!,
WHAB
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Oh, on top of my other propane problems there’s this - it was tucked in the edge of the door when I let my niece (grand-niece? she’s my niece’s daughter) in to get her laundry this morning…
Wholly Jeebus! 
Again, I of course expect increased costs over Winter BUT damn!
Puts a bit of a damper on things 
,
WHAB
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Didn’t you just get that tank filled before Xmas?
You need insulation, desperately
Cheers
G
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Hey @Gpaw
I don’t remember the exact date but, yes, it was around that time. The $729 bill that I had to split into 2 payments.
Yes, lack of insulation in the attic is part of the problem. I haven’t been able to get up there. It’s been really cold up there, even on days where it is relatively mild outdoor temperatures.
A nearly doubling of the cost is also part of the problem. I distinctly recall the price of propane last year being $1.65 per.
Then, this propane heater is undersized for this space.
I’m also running an electric heater in the bathroom (former Cloakroom. virtually and probably totally un-insulated - it is like its own space within the building) and one very near where I lay my head.
But, IF I can get it done, I “hope” to put in a ‘properly sized’ “Cassette” Mini-Split this Spring 
mate!,
WHAB
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Mini-splits aren’t exactly cheap either…
I priced one out this year.
Do they do the Polyurethane spray foam in your area? That might be worth looking into for the underside of the roof.
Cheers
G
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Yes, not cheap at all, my friend!
I’m looking at something like this…
https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-Ceiling-Cassette-Ductless-Inverter/dp/B00UXU3WGG
$3,438.00
My rudimentary and most ignorant calculations - having absolutely know knowledge of how it is actually done - estimates I’d need at least a 36000 BTU unit.
IF anyone with knowledge of precisely calculating my BTU needs, it would be great to hear from you!
This footprint of the building is 30x30 (including the notches (inside corners) in 2 corners of the exterior of walls), so it is something less than 30x30. But, the ceilings are 11’11-1/2" tall. So, it is roughly 30x30x12.
I don’t know that commercial spray foam installers are around here. I’ve never seen a sign or a truck on the streets in ‘town’.
But, the cost was undoable at the time, when I tried, and failed, to insulate as best I could before Winter.
Commercial spray foam insulation is the best solution and something I will try to get done over time. It’s what I really wanted to do. It would solve two problems, insulating that heat-suck and prevent rain water from ever entering through the metal roof.
Edit Add: 2 corners of the exterior of
You 
, brother!,
WHAB
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Panda Film brought to you by our good friend on another site - Lrus!
I ‘thought’ there was a chance I could precut the Panda Film’s height on the floor in here…
It quickly become evident that was not going to happen!
Where I had to make my cut - 74 inches - was right in the middle of the second and third fold leaving an additional fold and a 1/2 beyond that. I couldn’t get to the cut with it folded up.
PLAN B
I had to string it out on the frozen lawn in freezing temperatures…(Kinco Winter gloves made this possible - I was out there wrestling that sheet around (fighting against occasional gusts of wind) for a good little while - and my hands never did get cold! )
This is cut to its height (using the back edge of my Festool Guide Rail as a straight edge making absolutely positively sure not to gouge the aluminum)…
Then applying Lrus’s great idea!
Then the first attempt at hanging it on the short wall, the East wall, the wall with the tentative doorway in it.
I’m putting the factory edge on the floor end to hopefully be able to follow a some-what straight line - even though I KNOW there isn’t a straight line in this place. Not one that I have encountered, yet! 
I’m going to go around and get it all temp-installed then go back and reinforce the rest of it.
YUGE step nearly done! 
!,
WHAB
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That worked a treat!
Thank you, Lrus!
I should have mentioned that my second set of hands helping me with this is a Irwin Quick-Clamp. It worked great making managing this 18 foot long and 6 feet high sheet of floppy material by one person easier than I thought it would!
I’m sure it would have ripped out had I not had those few points reinforced at so few points.
I was also able to keep the straight bottom edge pretty much on line!
One mistake I did make but it turns out in a good way! 
Understand, I could have lied and no one would be the wiser…
I intended to bring this one sheet up to the fourth wall, the South wall. I somehow cut it short by about a foot.
But, after I cut it to length the other day, I had forgotten I planned a long while ago that I was going to put a Zipper Door in that wall (I have the zipper right here next to me) - because of the lessons learned the last grow where I couldn’t easily manage the Girls from just that one access point.
So, happy accident! 
,
WHAB
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There, that’s done!
As far as those three walls are concerned, that is.
Next I’m going to get my buckets mocked up. I’m going to try the “stacked” idea.
It may not work, but I do want to try.
Besides having both systems ready to go and only have to remove the one to get to the other (pre-plumbed except for connecting to their respective controller bucket), I think. It will keep those Veg plants off the floor and at a height more readily agreeable to my aching back!!!
And, I don’t remember IF I ever mentioned it but, it is the only reason it has occupied any space in the Classroom.
I have always had it in mind to use it somewhere. I intend to use this antique door as the primary door for the under-loft grow space.
I don’t know where it came from. It didn’t come from this building. There aren’t any interior “doorways”.
I do know I removed it from the cubicles my niece made under the loft - it was a divider (attached sideways).
It’s had one end cut off already, I think the bottom (which is actually the top in this picture - look at the skeleton key-hole). I found that cut-off piece and used it in the landing on the modified ships ladder.
She clenched a couple of the screws she used to mount it to the 2 middle 4x4s that were in there. I had to maul the door just a bit to get it removed.
I ‘may’ leave it in that orientation as I ‘think’ the door knob would be too low to the floor as it is now.
I’m pretty sure I found the other 1/2s of those original hinges here. I found them separately and in different areas but I knew what they were when I saw them. The 1/2s I found were rather crusty. I fairly certain I can clean them up well enough.
I ‘may’ remove the tongue&groove flooring in the loft before there is any sensitive equipment or ladies beneath it. even IF I don’t lay underlayment down up there now, it will be ready for when I can. the last time I looked water-resistant underlayment is going for around $61+. I’d need 3 sheets to do it all up there.
Good morning!
Make it a great day!
Time for a well earned 
,
WHAB
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Do you have the manual(s) or can access them to see what the installation and setup is?
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The manuals for the heater or for the faux logs, @Tejas? No to either one, but I’m just curious as to what you might be referring to…
,
WHAB
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The installation manual will explain how to position logs and initial startup procedures as well as troubleshooting tips.
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Hey, @Tejas.
I appreciate your willingness to assist! Thank you for that, friend!
There are locating pins and corresponding locating holes for those pins on each separate faux log and the heater itself.
You can see the locating pins on the heater and the faux logs here…I got some better pictures that I just took to show them but of course they’re not available when I need them! 
I’ve had the faux logs out a few times. I don’t know how many times my Niece took them out and put them back in.
IF the faux logs are the problem - being located too close to the pilot light assembly and smothering it (which is my tentative assessment) - because the holes are wallered out in the faux logs there is nothing I can do to correct that short of buying a new set of faux logs.
IF my above doesn’t address your concerns precisely just let me know, please.
Edit Add: for clarity of locating pins
Thank you! ,
WHAB
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I didn’t make any progress yesterday. My neck was hurting pretty bad. It hurt its worst when I rotated my head to the right. Not sure what happened - could have been from all that work on the floor/ground and trying to look up at my attempts to get ‘some’ symmetry in my reinforced stapling, possibly something as simply laying my head on my pillow wrong and not knowing it because I’m not conscious of it. It’s still hurting but not as bad as yesterday. Going to try and make some progress.
,
WHAB
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Oh by no means was I trying to arm chair quarterback your situation 
. Great job on your reno work. Take care of yourself!
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If I sleep just wrong or turn my head just right, it can hurt to move it for 3 days at a time,
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I didn’t take your posts wrong…I didn’t think you were armchair quarterbacking.
I appreciate any and all help, suggestions, recommendations or other, my friend…sincerely!
You , @Tejas!,
WHAB
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Same here. I even use a Orthopedic pillow to attempt to prevent their occurrences - but, still…
Through a process of elimination, I presume - in this instance - it was my work on the floor.
Painless slumber to you, my friend! ,
WHAB
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Woodworking and ganja 
Sign me up, those are the two things I love doing and know nothing about😅
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