I don’t think these cuts being around for so long is hard to believe. I’ve received some cuts of doubt or that were wrong over the years, but most have been legit or were believed to be and most mixups involved another elite instead. People tend to hold onto and spread around great plants. hola, I thought they were legs
My blueberry is the oldest cut I have, I got it from a med patient and collector in WA that tracked it down in 2011 after not being able to find the saty dominant blueberry around like he had been in the 80’s, 90’s and 2000’s. Do I know for sure it’s legit, no, but all indicators are there. It smells great, and it can be a great grow, especially outdoors. That said, most people would cull this plant if it wasn’t for the blueberry pie filling smells. It’s finicky about nutes, and it looks mutated when it’s transplanted or stressed. The mutants in blueberry genetics aren’t mutants, they’re growing that way in response to environmental factors and almost always grow out of it.
That’s why I said 98%. It’s not out of the realm of possibility and I’m not suggesting your FOS, I just know that there are more that are statistically likely to be FOS than not. If I had what I believed to be the Golden cut, I’d try to keep it as long as possible, but like you stated, even the best can get boring after a while and I’m more likely to let it go in the hopes of finding something better. I think elite cuts were more likely to be kept as cash croppers both back in the day and today than they were for personal stash. I can’t speak to genetic drift or anything botany related. I just know that if an amateur or professional breeder had two plants that both had desirable characteristics, they would cross them with the hope of getting the best of both worlds. NL x BL for example. Motivating highs with short flower times. It’ sounds great, but more often than not you would have to dig for the “perfect” combination. Big bud is a classic example of this. She’s nothing more than NL and Skunk, but her buds were huge. Everyone and their brother were crossing her with everything to get more bang for the buck. Unfortunately, it doesn’t always work out that way.
She was one of the most stressful strains I ever grew. Mine were from Dutch Passion, but they had all of the DJ short characteristics when I grew them. Amazing Blueberry smell, twisted, gnarly leaves, deep violet stems but they always looked like they were on the verge of death. She was strong, but “uneventful” for us. I know everyone from back in the day says that, but it was true for us. She was a bit of an aphrodisiac though, so there’s that. I’ve never had a sat blueberry. I’ve read they’re better.
Whether saty or indy, blueberry when it’s right has that Xanax like stress relieving whoosh quite often. It’s truly delightful when that relaxed feeling comes with extra motivation during the day. It makes me jump out of my seat and get to work some days.
Here’s my current momma, Time to replace her and make some beans. Just can’t decide which boy to let have his way with her. Goji OG F2 is the front runner, but Congo x blueberry, grapefruit x blieberry, and dragons blood hp are in consideration as well.
Cookies are around because bag appeal and smells and that’s apparently the majority most people seem to care about. Not getting high
Nah this isn’t some internet-speech-repeat with no experience. I’ve smoked cookies strains since the day they came out, trying to find something good, especially now that it’s legal and they’re fckn everywhere and nada. None of its good for me. Heck I just got some Dutch Treat x Cherry Pie yesterday and that’s not good either. Cherry pie, gelato, sherb, z… if those are in the genetics its pretty much all bunk mids to me. Some of it might get me going pretty good for about 10 minutes, but then it falls off immediately. whole experience might only last ~30-45 minutes or so before I feel like I need to smoke again. 1.5hrs at best for a good outcross with barely any cookie expression.
If cookies lines wreck you for multiple hours, that’s cool, but idk anyone personally that it does that for, obviously myself included.
I have to admit cookies has the same effect on my wife and I. Hard hitter, but typically short lived. Especially Gelato. I will say that I’ve had some decent crosses though.
What’s important is that we can discuss it civilly. I think we do a pretty decent job of that. To be fair, Holy is a medicator, as is my wife. Their requirements are different. (Maybe you are to, I don’t know).
I think Z is 10-15 years old, seems a little unfair to call something with that kind of staying power “hype”. It’s also proven to make some outstanding progeny, regardless of it they “work” for you or not.
Yes, and one of the most influential strains in cannabis history, whether we like it or not. It’s not one of my favorites, but it’s a good strain, especially OGKB and Forum. They make really nice progeny (minus the herm issues) that all look, smoke, and smell a little different. Different highs and all. Not fair to call it hype either imo.
There are some very nice medicinal strains as well that are cookies hybrids. Dosi and PBB are lauded by a lot of medical patients. My wife doesn’t like cannabis much and using it for headaches mostly, dosi is her migraine go to. GMO basically smokes like Chem D but is easier to grow and tastier imo. I culled chem d and kept Donny Burger, very similar high, but 5% plus of tasty hash.
Anyway, I don’t like cookies enough to keep defending their honor. I don’t like the brand, I don’t care for Berner, but I do know that there are cookies related strains that you would enjoy if grown properly. But why bother, keep smoking what you like, and thankfully there’s plenty of non cookies stuff to choose from despite their dominance.
I don’t think anything it keeping me high for 3-4 hours anymore. Duration wise, I don’t notice much difference from strain to stain of the things I like. I’m curious what you have that will keep you high for 3-4 hours? I’m pretty much at the point with most strains that it’s 15-30 minutes of really feeling it, but still functional, 1-2 hrs of being highish, then it’s a steady creep down from there for an hour or two unless I re-up.
The C5SensiStar I have from Mel Frank, and the NorthStar (C5SensiStar F3 x (A5 S1 x 89NL5)) I made with it, most of the phenos I’ve seen tend to last 3-4 hrs for me before I feel like I need to smoke again. Before I feel pretty sober.
I usually smoke every couple hours like clockwork during the day, and just consistently in the evenings and weekends in order to manage the nerve pain and disc damage. That stuff I can smoke and forget about weed for a long while. Most everything else, like the TK, chem91, SSDD, etc, are around 2hrs. Anything cookies is either nothing at all or something like Dirty Taxi, distant cookies, making it maybe 1.5hrs at best. Usually it’s 30-45min.
It’s not just cookies. Cali-o and her crosses are like that too
“I am not a doctor but I play one on tv. “ ha ha ha. They now think that the genes that you have turned on at the moment of conception are the main ones that you pass to your offspring. You know that boy you have that “ dont act right?” Think back to that night when you spent all day getting drunk at the beer joint and then went home and jumped on your old lady. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
So, I remember mid-2000s I had a connect that had all sorts of various OGs and purples and stuff. The quality was always on a level that I didn’t even know existed. Unfortunately, that person got busted.
My next connect, around 2008 or 2009 or so, had Girl Scout Cookies and to be frank it was top tier weed. I was happy as a clam to finally have another hookup with high quality bud. But, it was never a “I didn’t know this existed” type of experience that I had from the OGs and purples.
From then on, say 2010 and up, medical and recreational slowly happened and I remember never being fully happy with dispensary or black market weed ever again. Fast forward to today, I think dispensaries are selling literal trash.
What does it all mean? I don’t know. But that Girl Scout Cookies I used to smoke in the late 2000s was good bud even if I preferred the OGs and purples that I had before then.
I feel you on the short lived cali-O experience love the flavor and high but damn if i dont need to smoke it all day to keep the buzz. Im like that with a lot of Cali-O descendants too. Havent smoked a long lasting orange since Agent Orange from TGA….
If you smoke for nerve and disk pain, the nerds line has generally been really good for my back and nerve pain. Definitely in the top 5 best medicinal for me.
Ive been trying to find some legit seeds for a while now because it’s something i think would be worth experimenting with. I’ve suspected a nerds x Bruce banner cross would probably be the perfect strains for my daytime nerve pain.
Got some of your SSDD F2s coming up soon to experiment with as well for that condition🤙
Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. 
