What he said. Commercial effect on breeding

Good. Saw that coming. Thank you. Theres no need to be argumentative, there’s room for all views.

I started this thread to ask the question, what’s up with modern breeding? I did not start it to bash breeders. I respect most breeders, as most who are willing to do the work, really do care about their end product. Boy, if they don’t, in this competitive environment, they won’t be around long. Competition breeds excellence.

So many great thoughts from everyone, it’s not really an either/or arguement, old vs new, etc. It’s just a conversation.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone’

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I couldn’t agree more, I felt the older strains WERE better, based on the highs alone. Sativa/indica crossing changed all that, and accelerated during the nineties.

You can still find the originals landrace stuff, but they’re hard to find, and to grow.

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Speaking of competition,

The bigger registries hold a world championship every year.
The event starts out with regional qualifying events held throughout the year.
Anyone who places in the top ten of an RQE advance to the semifinals.
Anyone who places in the top 10 of the semifinals advance to the finals.
I would love to see something like this established in the cannabis world.

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I personally am not a potency chaser. I think I read somewhere above yesterday that higher potency goals lead to shorter more bland highs (but I’ve just woken up so maybe I’m a little foggy, and I only really smoke my own so don’t have first hand experience.)

I’m quite happy with 15-20% and if I want something high potency I’ll just smoke hash made with one of these.

Works for me.

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Me too. Much over 15-20% and to me, the high becomes unpleasant. Stands to reason. Smoking too much of anything I enjoy has always been a downer.

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Thank you!!! You can breed with two plants, and you can work a line with 10 or less, that’s why it’s fun.

I’m running an F4 project now with 25 plants, which is pushing my capacity. But that’s enough to expose diversity. I’ve crossed some great strains with just 2 plants.

Folks need to remember, all the strains we love today, all the White Widow knock offs, Super Lemon Haze, etc, started with someone buying a ten pack of seeds. Not all, of course, but many strains have been reproduced from retail seed sales by breeders.

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I just found this great meme I thought is relevant to this topic:

Dispensary weed tastes like disappointment!

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Yes, and the point that I tried to make in my first post in this thread was more pointedly critical of current day growing methodology combined with possibly suspect genetics.

I smoked essentially nothing but my own home grown flowers for about 42 years (some Growmies home buds also over the decades), but no commercially grown cannabis until I moved to central FL a year ago.

After I inevitably smoked the last of my stash, I decided to sample commercial products available locally as well as some from the interwebs. After a few months of consistent abject disappointment I posted in this thread.

Now, I am eagerly awaiting the opportunity to resume my favorite hobby, and see if I can get as high as I did before this surprising revelation as to just how useless commercially grown weed has been to me.

And I am no longer motivated to continue wasting any money.

eta
I actually throw some of these flowers in the trash.

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Dispensary weed is always going to be Budweiser, for the most part. The sheer volume tells you this.

I can go look at a dispensary menu right now and see 15 different “farms” however if you research the names, you realize 1 corporation is putting out multiple different brands.

The visuals over all else from 10+ years of ig are not helping either.

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I am but not by THC percentage, I go by how it smokes. How hard it comes on, and how long it lasts = potency to me. If it can’t last longer than 1.5hrs, it’s basically mids to me regardless of how hard/fast it comes on. If i have to smoke two bowls to the face to barely feel anything, its also mids to me. I need both to consider it potent, regardless of how narcotic or motivated it might make me feel.

The chasing lab numbers is part of why I think most of the modern stuff sucks. THC isn’t everything. Dabbing pure THC cystal’s only gives me a ~30-45min high and it’s bland AF.

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The lab numbers is a truly amazing thing!! I was talking to a dispensary employee who said “ people just walk up to the counter and say highest thc”
That’s how they order.

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I used to ask for “the strongest strains at the lowest price” :man_shrugging:

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Yes I could see that. In Austin I heard two bros going well “mine tested at 27 and yours tested at 25” and it took all my reserve to not say “really guys who gives a fuck?”

I will buy edibles and they send freebies of weed sometimes, like an 1/8th. Guess what, they’re still sitting in my coffee table months later. I’m going to give them to the less fortunate.

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In college, we used to order pizzas, then not pick them up for an hour or two, then show up to see if they had any unclaimed pizzas they want to sell cheap. :rofl:.

Wonder if that would work at dispensaries? :beer::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::rofl:.

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I’ve mentioned this a while back on another thread but the entourage effect from terps potency smoothness everything combined is why people should pick and choose strains. Potency is just one piece of the puzzle and to only think about cannabis in that aspect really limits your selection. How certain terps interact with the brain via cannabinoids is really what matters not an arbitrary %. Obviously super low THC % won’t interest most people including me but sometimes during the day I will smoke some autoflower with lower potency and that’s fine. Tons of research on terpenes cannabinoids and the human brain going on these days

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This is exactly what I said when I sprayed something in mid flower. It was fine. Mrs Foreigner said it was fine. But to me it tasted like disappointment.

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I would also take terpenes concentration in consideration.

As second one, especially important with commercial and medical flower, gamma irradiation for pesticide and standardisation reason. That destroys “weaker” terpens and other olfactory products Effect of Gamma Irradiation on Cannabinoid, Terpene, and Moisture Content of Cannabis Biomass - PMC

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I think it’s things we aren’t testing for. Thc-v, thc-p, thc-o, etc. All the legal market cares about is thca, delta9, and CBD.

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Oh man don’t get me started on Delta 9 haha… I’m from the deep South where cannabis is highly illegal so it always hurts my ears to hear young people going to gas stations and crappy smoke shops buying Delta 9 garbage.

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Think you’re thinking of Delta-8 sprayed shit :joy: but for sure ^^

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