I’d say poorly grown weed in general hydro or soil isn’t worth growing
I’ll also add even well grown weed can be ruined by bad after harvest practices
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Gatekeepers of old genetics are boring? Interesting perspective, considering EVERYTHING you smoke today came from those boring genetics.
It’s bad karma to disrespect those who’ve gone before. Just sayin’.
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I call that the “McDonald’s effect”. You could serve Ruth Chris’ surf and turf at McDonald’s, and it would STILL have that McDonald’s taste to it.
If you want to know all the crap they pump into commercial flower, just read the ingredients on edibles. A few years ago, Colorado was required to list them. It was like a who’s who of hydro chemicals, bloom boosters, sweeteners, all the crap that makes commercial weed taste like commercial weed.
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Double Amen! It’s NOT the same high as sixties and seventies. I feel your frustration!
Most notably, everything then was a pure sativa, which hardly exist today.
My favorite was always Jamaican. It seemed after the Colombian hit, around ‘74 in the Midwest, everything else just disappeared. Then sinsemilla took over, tons of that flowed through Indiana University, or most large campuses, and much of that was Mexican, but we didn’t care, no stems or seeds!
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Everything i smoke today is about as close to those “boring genetics” as my Chihuahua is to a wolf 
and probably most of what you smoke, too
Nobody is disrespecting anybody, my point was if anything, the old stuff is boring next to the new stuff
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I like most everything you’re saying. I realize you iterated ‘personally’ just before the quote.
Maybe I’m still in denial, but this is something that I’m sure could be argued by scientists and the like. In moderation outside combustion - their are health benefits to many with the use of cannabinoids. Of course cannabis is my vice, and likely many others on here, so it’s not hill I should stand on…
But here is what I know about our cannabinoid systems - if someone is naturally unhealthy in ways - such as diet - these deficiencies can lead to symptoms which are easily addressed by manipulating our cannabinoid system ei increasing CBD levels. This is why some swear by the positive effects of CBD while others who already have a balanced cannabinoid system won’t feel any changes because they are already healthy…
So is cannabis unhealthy and only a vice? Like I said maybe I will never say these words - but it’s got truth to it.
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Someone here showed me a “Trainwreck” with fat ass leaves, like an indica.
Opinions vary. I would argue, the “old stuff” is MUCH better than the new stuff in both taste, and high. But I’m old enough to have grown and smoked both, as are many here.
I would expect many to disagree, it’s subjective.
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Yes, and so do genetics. Yet here we are
Agreed. I didn’t mean to imply there are no medical benefits to the plant. Sure be nice if they’d remove it from schedule one so it could be studied properly.
But the reality is, 99% of users use it recreationally. Hell, even NORML plainly stated medical was all a scam to enable full scale legalization. Nothing grinds my gears like some 20 year old pot head calling his weed his “medicine”. But for those it legitimately helped, like cancer patients and PTSD, I’m all for it.
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To gatekeep that someone can’t get medical relief from the stress of their life because they also like to be high is misguided. The high is a big part of the cure, to feel good. To say that if someone enjoys the high there is no medical benefit is stinkin thinkin or logically incoherent.
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That doesn’t change the fact fhe vast majority use to get high. Claiming there’s a medical benefit to being high may be true, of course. But it’s a very small percentage of the market.
We really have no disagreement, I hear what you’re saying.
It’s a very important point to highlight. We talk about new strains, new deal and all, but it’s always the same 90’s soups that are blended and re-heated careless. And re-tagged one million times to catch the fresh meat. When they smoke these looping pot-pourri, they don’t made any link with the momentum they all piss on openly. In crying to be too dilated when they meet real vets at events ^^
In a bunch of EU countries, nothing changed. And the equation is lived the same, in zero tolerance countries as well. We all source the same at the end, even the cuts.
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Yeah its definitely not like the weed 20 years ago you got that right,that weed may have looked like shit But it got you so wrecked you couldnt even drive a vehicle.You had to smoke pinners of the shit.Whens the last time you even seen anyone roll a pinner joint?Ill agree to disagree on this.The IG Zoomer shit where a picture is worth a thousand words and the bud is pretty and smells like Fairy Sprinkles and cinnabon but has a duration of 45 min of dizzying high ending in mental muddle.Old weed smelled like a skunks asshole and tasted like sweet Dirt but got you gakked for 3 sometimes 4 hours of complete stone where it was all a blur and ended up with hilarity ,Munchies and a short term Acoma.Yeah i wouldnt call it really better but i dont know what your tolerance is so the new stuff might just be your cup of tea.I can see what the mental block with generational stuff is it’s totally understandable and its exceptable.
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Something that’s getting largely overlooked here
A lot of these modern strains were really created for washing, for extraction. Zkittlez is the one that comes to mind immediately; sure it’s pretty good smoke & it’s got great bag appeal, but the REAL magic is using that strain for rosins & extracts 
20, 30, 40 yrs ago we didn’t have all the extraction methods we have now. … You could do dry sift, peel some charas off your hands or do a butane extraction but even then, most people weren’t doing those things, whereas now IMO at least a third of us on this site, for example, are probably growing so as to make extracts
Just a lil something else to consider
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I also have another theory to this but i cant hop into a time machine to prove this out so it will always just be a thing but i also think we as we age our Experiences change as our bodies do.Does this make sense?I have a feeling im starting to sound like my older Brother talking about Weed from the 70s and 80s.I see a pattern here
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Perfect example. The baseline is an old BC cut of late 80’s ^^
The Zkittlez or the Runtz are not half of the aroma and the potency of the cut they are based on.
“Designers Weed that rap” eventually lol, but creation, evolution or even preservation : No.
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True. These frostyAF cultivars make tons of hash related fare.
Another (overlooked) difference in the old fare…like the Thai sticks…is that they weren’t hurried out the door like the modern products are today. It took longer to flower…and it aged longer in hidden places before it ever reached our hands. Possibly years. In other words, the cure transformed great pot into really special/memorable pot. You don’t see any of that in today’s retail weed that goes from cut to harvest in 8 weeks (OK…7…LOL) and is sold on week 8. It’s just a different thing altogether. Ditto “hash”. I speculate that much of what we got was last year’s fare and likely, much older.
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You ain’t f-ckin with the right batch then IMO. I assure you, the Z-terp hype is REAL. I’ve had Zkittlez and Z-cross rosins that have peeled my face back & left a lingering taste on my palate until i was able to restitch my face in place 
Try a different breeder, maybe.
Look, I don’t want to sound like I’m knocking the strains of old and sucking Cookies’ dick or anything, I have a pretty broad appreciation for ALL things cannabis, but moreover I recognize how TRULY SPOILED we are at this point in time, regarding this topic just my 2 cents
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Our impossibility to communicate on the subject is for me the quintessence of the actual problematic.
Not Berner ^^
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