I think it’s more of me being “unlucky” with my body chemistry. I’ve just always heard friends and people online saying they got high for hours and I never have. I remember smoking joints in high school and going to class and I’d want to fall asleep before class was over a lot of the time
I’ve smoked “black widow” back in the day but then, I only had the word of my street dealer to go off of so until I started growing. I really had no idea to verify what I had was legit or if it was just being made up to boost sales. I think I grew out something years ago with it in the genetics but prob wasn’t good because I was shit at growing back then haha.
I do get much less high than I did back then but I’m sure it’s at least in part due to tolerance. I have given my buddy’s girlfriend’s sister (who’s a new smoker) some of my shittier homegrown lowers for free and she gets wrecked off of it. Even gets high off of shake that they give her. If we smoked the same stuff it wouldn’t have nearly the same effect. I imagine in 20 years she might look back fondly on some of the stuff, like I do from my earlier days.
@Flower
I appreciated your ‘dogs/genetics’ analogy in regards to genetics.
I once owned a 5 month old pup from the Humphries Dashing Bondhu line of Llewellin bird dogs. A friend wanted to meet up and do some drills with his 4 year old English pointer. He had invested about $3 to $5 grand in “training” with professional “trainers”. My pup understood ‘sit’, ‘stay’, ‘come’ but had not been worked more than that.
We took the dogs over to a field and decided to run a sweep where the dog hunts the plot. His dog ran from area to area sort of wildly. I then put my pup in the field. He swept the field horizontally in about half the time as my friend’s dog. Seeing this my friend put his dog up and said he had to leave.
If a dog doesn’t have it, it never will, and no amount of training will ever bring it out.
A hound can be taught to come, sit, stay, but you can’t train one to run and tree a coon.
The real work is training them not to do stuff.
Running deer, treeing possums………
I remember 3 or 4 stud dogs back in the day that was super popular. People would drive hundreds of miles to breed to them.
One interesting thing I once noticed was that there was one certain female that had been bred to all 3 or 4 of those studs, and produced litters with high percentages of champions every time.
I have also many times seen a female produce a litter of pups that almost all make good hounds, yet never produce another decent one after being bred to the same male another two or three times.
It always seems like the first cross is lightning in a bottle, and that’s it.
You can’t blame people for making those same crosses multiple times, who wouldn’t, but they most generally only produced blandness after that first cross.
There were always a few exceptions, but it is a widely discussed topic in the coonhound world.
Some believe that something changes in the dogs with age.
Lately, I have been wondering if any of that applies to plants.
Are people discovering fire on first time crosses, and then producing blandness on later seed runs with the same two plants?
Yet they keep making the same cross because it worked before, and the fire has to be there somewhere?
Could this somehow be where part of the blame for the blandness lays?
I really have not bred enough plants to form an opinion on this yet, but it has been rattling around in my head.
At the moment, I am running through all the genetics I can, and in another 5 years, I am gonna do a little breeding with my four favorites.
In the meantime, I will keep pondering on my personal experiences I have had with hound breeding over the years, and hope I have a solid plan when it comes time to chuck a little pollen.
Although we are talking about two completely different types of dogs, yours apparently coon hounds and mine bird dogs I can see some similarities. The difference being that mine have been selectively bred for embarrasingly more than 170 years so their abilities are pretty stable now.
There may be some comparisons to plants. But I think it has to do with pheno hunting. Llewellin went through hundreds of dogs to find what he wanted and got a good start. The guys after him dialed it in. I think that is what needs to happen with plant breeding.
You have to find what is generally the direction you want then pheno hunt to fine tune it. I don’t think much of that is going on today with the ‘wham-bam’ hybrid breeding going on.
I get about 50% germination on 10 year old seeds, stored in a ball jar Older than that, seems to go way down. The key to high germination rates on old seeds is start a high number of seeds,
Honestly, back then, you were lucky if you got 60-70% germ rates on any seeds you bought. So most stored seeds were already down 30% in germ rates.
They are similar enough that we are on the same page.
What kennel club are your dogs registered with?
Do the papers show how many pups were produced by each ancestor, and what percentage of champions resulted from those pups?
I do wonder though, if any of my musings have any merit.
It is International Progressive Dog Breeders Alliance which won’t mean anything to anyone other than Llewellin dog owners. They provide a pedigree that has about 60 dogs in it. They are for the most part not really used in “championship” competitions since they swept it all from the 1880’s to about 1920’s. There was a big stink about how it ‘wasn’t fair’. Number of pups is not listed. As an example my dog taught himself to corner pheasants in a field with no training from me. Most hunters will never see a dog like that.
Like I mentioned I think it comes down to pheno hunting.
That right there is why I’ll throw whatever random clones are ready in my seed making. Because I don’t know what the best combo is. I have ideas I think will be good, but I always want random chance to have a chance
I kinda suspect we are at the start of another shift in the commercial cannabis industry. Over the last year or so ive been seeing more new strains crossed with old strains and even a resurgence of some classics available commercially.
Funny enough in my area, when i find something with an identifiable breeder, its usually either hype breeders (exotic, solfire, etc) or Humboldt CSI. Have seen a lot of T-1000 and G-1000 and lots of crosses with them, domestic disturbance, flight risk, chem d x triangle, branded bubba and obama care are all the ones i remember off the top of my head.
Reg seeds - lazy breeders who do not wanna run high numbers and make proper selections, no 1 excuse “we just deal with preservation”
Preserving what ? Shitty seeds with 50%+ male traits or even more ? Who the hell want that ?
Fem seeds - lazy breeders who do not wanna run high numbers and further F1 or S1 into consistent seed batches that actually worth something
Main excuse “this way you will have variety and not boring consistent results” yeah variety of shit
Conclusions:
We’re fucked !
Sincerely, the dopeboy
I think all the small farms are the ones putting out the new stuff. A bunch of the bigger farms have very specific requirements for their clones. This goes along yield and washing capabilities.
In this seed market, fem seeds are way better.
Why ? Because you only dwell in the fem gene pool, if that fem is elite, you have more chances.
It’s simple logic and science
If you pair 2 blonde hair people you have more chances of getting blonde offsprings, get it ?
Now, with males it’s ok if you know what male to choose
The thing is no one knows what male to choose because each male requires you grow their progeny with each cross you make, making sure the fem shines through
But this shit takes forever, meanwhile there’s money to be made off suckers who don’t know nothing about weed let alone seeds
And that’s where we are today, endless strains, no testing, no evaluation of the line, no selections, no refinement, take this something x something
And pray for the best although if you grow enough lately you can know it’s gonna be bunk if you bought the seeds from these lazy breeders
I’m finished paying all these con artists who do 0 work and spend more time doing podcasts instead of making their products better, I grow 100 plants each run and even I don’t have time or strength to do dinner let alone a podcast
These are the same people who hold 200+ strains and expect us to believe they do anything besides flowers males next to fems or reversed fems, shit is hilarious
And then in the podcasts they talk so much shit about breeding and stabilizing but don’t do nothing of it hahaha and still expect to pay the ridiculous prices they charge how hyped and brainwashed you have to be until you realize everyone is laughing off you all the way to the bank I’m off to get some lottery tickets, same chances
Damn bro you are my new messiah !
No one can describe it better. @Dieseldog381 bro I think we have a new preacher!
Mids x Mids and then they Share !
Probably 99% the reason why everything is so low grade today
Finished my Valley Chem run, unsmokable shit
Finished my Bodhi Thin Mint run, unsmokable shit
The most beautiful buds I’ve seen, not even the dog wanna go near them
Thank you Greenpoint, Bodhi, CSI, GHS, Barney’s, In House oh there’s many more for wasting my time, money, effort, risk, stress at night when I sleep etc
We need to go back to the days of strain hunters and old army missions offshore to acquire some landraces and do everything we did 20 years ago again, sucks but no other way as I see it.
My friend is bugging me for the past year of running all these shitty seeds that we go to a trip in India, Ethiopia, Pakistan, to acquire those old cuts that started everything, me and him grow for 20+ years and we’ve seen it all
We both came to a conclusion the seed market is rigged, whether by luck of the draw or by intent, no matter, you won’t win, it’s a shit show.
This killed me hahaha the stupidity of people is off the charts in 2024 it seems
In the case of “Greenpoint”…the owner doesn’t/hasn’t bred a fucking thing in years and the guy who shuffles around on his knees and sprays the plants for him that they purchased off of Strainly/etc. doesn’t even smoke weed
