Displaying intersex traits, rather than pure hermaphroditism?
I personally do. If I see any intersex traits at any point in time, I compost the plant.
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I was wondering if a true hermaphrodite could carry the Y chromosome?
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you can have males with broken gibberellin, or overstimulated ethylene, production that produce viable hairs, yes.
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As far as i remember, this term was popularized when Soma entered in the game early 2000’s. Colorful person in term of breeding on many point. Organic grow (nice book) + Rodelization sum pretty well the firestarter.
Soma’s quote ^^, he published some of his theories also on high times :
I named this new method “Rodelization,” after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male “bananas.” A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built-in safety factor so that in case of severe conditions, the plant can make sure the species is furthered.
20 years later, with all we have accumulated in term of reliable datas on the question … it make me smile a bit. I still love his Amnezia Haze.
You’re not. You’re helping to debunk one of the numerous inventions of stoners to name something differently. Technic, strain, cut … it’s a bad habit that is lasting. So yes it’s pollinating with an herm, but wich is also how is made fems by extend but with a different selection and process. In the first case it’s a natural herm, in the second case it’s an artificial herm.
Neutrally said, the pollen of herms can eventually “feminize” the progeny if the donor is rightly choosen. The extend of this phenomenom is just the STS game to create feminized seeds with the same profile of specimen, but more hardened.
On large scales experiments with open pollination of multiples reversed specimens, it’s more neutral in fact.
The problem, and te taboo now, is that the competitive quality and duration in time of the genetic itself is never put on the table.
For me it’s an oxymoron ^^ My dirty hand know two things : herm OFF and herm ON.
I prefer to say “pure herm” than true. I call a pure herm a specimen that is strictly balanced (in term of timing and also in term of flowers balance). In hemp it’s more common and they are the “monoecy agent” used to stabilize the lines that have to stay monoecious for productivity purposes.
Damn : I forgot to try a risky vulgarization.
Let’s say that this herm is a XY. This herm, like all other plants, will contain multiple traits that are linked or not and that will interact with the expression of the specimen (basically, a phenotype). If the “herm trait” (which is in fact a combo) is included in the expression of the specimen, you got seeded buds. This expression is not sex-linked in fact. “Feminized seeds” is a far more correct term than “female seeds” with the ones produced with the STS process.
Now consider that a female can only be a female (or a female herm and all its variations) IN NOT CONTAINING the chrosomal info of the male, and you have the big picture.
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interesting. I didn’t know Soma came up with that term.
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And yet there’s this old sam’s etephon thing were it seems possible to reverse males too. Did not seem to raise as many advances as STS/CS though, probably because not so many people care about males nowadays.
So to sum-up herms = big nono for obvious reasons (equals herm progeny).
But that herm trait is not related to a sexual chromosome, but a hormonal imbalance (carried by a combination of genes) which is passed to the progeny (thanks @HolyAngel for that one)
Apart from the bagseed from hell nightmare of a lot of “recent” hyped strains, another thing I wonder is: given the fast pace of new “strain” releases, how many people chucking actually spend real time stress testing their parents regarding this hormonal imbalance. To me that sounds like an important part of the work if you intend to breed something.
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Yes, the hormonal imbalance trait is autonomal.
I wouldn’t say that generally all new cultivars is in bad shape. But the landscape have changed, a lot of people have stopped buying seeds and the pheno hunters can just filter the hermies out. Generally, most breeders do cut to cut random breeding, using the latest it cuts just for the hype, slamming a thrilling name on it.
So the selection have shifted from “breeders” to pheno hunters and this is something that you will probably see more of in the future.
The idea that elite x elite equals elite is over played and we all know that it doesn’t really always work that way. There is multiple examples of cookie lines where majority of the seeds herm, also we have breeders like Rare Dankness with some good cultivars but huge amount of uber herm lines.
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Thanks, you just clarified in my mind what “autonomal” means 
Me neither, but still… To me cultivar is that kind of word (like F1) maybe a bit mis/over used in the cannabis community. A cultivar isn’t by definition just a cross between two plants, it’s a stable inbred line that has settled around some specific traits. Which is not what people are doing by just crossing two “elite” cuts. Needs a bit more work to become a true cultivar.
I don’t think there’s a lot of “chuckers” who brought a few hundred dollars their elite clones to cross them that test them against herm traits and drop them if that’s the case.
Not trying to argue there, I agree with your comment for the most of it, just ranting on some definitions
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Hehe, yeah I totally agree. But cultivar is the closest word we got. Calling different crosses “strains” is even worse 
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Then you have the whole “Chem” whichever was a bagseed. And “it never throws a nanner outside/hps”
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Can’t tell for the others cuts, but i’ve played with the chem#4. Not the more difficult to reverse ^^
Not as easy than the GG#4 (one spray and you have enough to pollinate one entire greenhouse lol), but close.
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The Chem line is a herm bagseed for sure! The 91 is super inbred(when selfed you almost have a clone in seed form) , a usual trait for S1s, S2s, S3s. It gives herm traits in offspring, and it’s more pronounced in “F2” etc. Also a sign of a selfed line.
For example Chem D is notorious for throwing sterile pollen. This is a trait all Chem D crosses will carry on and it’s just waiting to get reactivated in coming progeny.
GG4 is a great example that @Fuel mentioned. In the GG4 RIL, @Tonygreen used super stable males to get into a position where the herm rate is lowered from the initial mother. Even though backcrossing isn’t the most effective way to lower range of the herm polygenic trait the recombination of the two back crosses ensures that a lower herm rate then the mother is set for future progeny.
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Not trying to hijack your post but i figured i would ask here before i make a post. Please delete if not allowed.
If i have 2 tents next to eachother. A bagseed grow and a fem grow, bagseed tent has a few possible herms (i assume i wont be able to catch all bananas if it throws any) and i have a tent full of fems next to it. If pollen goes airborne in the bagseed tent is my fem tent screwed?
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interesting thread. i;m having a bit of difficulty focusing right now, but figured i’d mention i’m growing what i believe is a true monoecious variety right now… a line with “natural hermaphrodite” tendencies. It’s a southeast Asian from Steve Dando of Monkey Puzzle Genetics, and out of 8 plants, 3 appear to be all female, and the rest have both genders, but not on top of each other like a forced hermie would have. the tops seem to all be female, but the 5 that have male flowers only have them lower down and in the bracts, with no female flowers in the same area. what’s male is all male, and what’s female is all female, but both are on the same plant, if that makes sense. And though there does seem to be 3 pure, 100% all female plants, there are no pure males among the 8. I’m actually really into it, because that’s what I’ve been told to expect from a lot of real deal southeast asian varieties. i feel like i’m not making sense, so i’ll revisit this when i’m in a clearer state of mind…
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One has male parts, the other is partly male. 
Lolz!!one!
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I created this plant from a herm and I don’t get hermie flowers and it’s stable. Grows the same way everytime. Only there is a 1 other pheno with a color variation. It’s lighter amd has yellow hairs and not orange. Came from two unknowns
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the two different phenos. Didn’t have the new camera so the pics are kinda bad. This was my 3rd grow for flowers. I crossed a few plants before I grew to yeild anything worth smoking. But man it was good. Made clear bubble hash rosin
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There is areal good chance of the pollen getting into the other tent especially if you have a vent fan sucking air into it all day long. 
You could try optic foliar switch.
Aka Ethephon.
It is perfect for this sorta application.
It is all the same shit just differnet bottles.
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