What are your thoughts OG? Who owns cannabis? How can one claim ownership of a cross?
This is partially tongue and cheek but I do often wonder, who owns a generic cross? If someone takes two cultivars and crosses them to make a amazing new cross, does the buck stop there? If so how does the breeder that made cross “x” own there own genetics when it was a cross based on someone else’s previous work? Unless you go out into the jungle or African Safari to get untouched landrace strains, how can one claim to have ownership of a new cross? It seems to me that it’s just people taking the previous generations work and improving upon it, and then claiming ownership.
To clarify - by ownership I mean to make a cross between two known lines that creates a new cross. Then one sells said new cross as seeds on the open market, only to say no one can use my cross to make new hybrids.
I think you said it right there. Unless someone goes into another countries growing regions they cant claim it as their own.
If you have it in your hand you can claim ownership of it. But selling something under a certain name can get one into trouble if the name is trademarked or copyright. Aside from that, due diligence on the buyers has always been something we relish on this side on the fence. People talk and if what your selling isnt yours to sell then the consumers will demand something uncopied and from as close to the original source as possible. Which is usually what leads one into a dangerous jungle in search of landrace cannabis in the first place.
We’re basicly justifing the work it took to go get it as enough work to resell it (as long as it is either the original or exactly what were looking for)
There’s a certain level of respect that should go towards the original breeders. If you use their work, ask them first, give them credit for the original work you used, etc.
On that same note you paid for the genetics - you technically own them? However, I do NOT feel this gives you the right to F2 or S1 someone work and claim it as your own.
…Unless you put work into the selections and work the line to your own vision. Even then you should still credit the original sources.
With the thought that one only owns the strain if they went out to the Himalayan mountains and picked it themselves, the majority of the breeders in the industry don’t own anything they have. Plus even those are hunted and preserved by someone living in those mountains.
…What really interests me if how some of these big corporations are coming and Patenting/Claiming Ownership to certain older strains like OG, Bubba, etc. Now THAT is SKETCHY!
I agree with both of you. I feel like if you purchase genetics and work it down to a new cross, you should give the original breeder credit on the lineage. After that the new cross is yours to name. With regards to making an f2 of someone’s cross and simply renaming it… thats strait up wrong and unethical in my view.
Where I’m concerned is when someone takes two known lines and crosses them to create/name a new cross, then claims that’s where the buck stops. If the breeders before them said that, they would never have had the opportunity to create/name their new F1/cross in the first place.
Do we all owe Afghan hash farmers royalties? How about Neville, Shanti, Sam, all the Dutch seedbanks that 95% of our genetics came from? It’s just silly.
No one owns anything as long as they’re capable of reproducing; nature of seeds themselves.
“Lemme just call Burpee Seeds and see if they give me permission to cross their tomatoes with other tomatoes”.
Sounds hella dumb when you think of it like that.
I think @LabRat said it best when he said something to the effect of “people think they’re saving the world through breeder ethics”. Problem is, no one outside a tiny sliver of the canna community gives a shit.
Breeder ethics looks a lot like a monopoly from where I’m sitting.
In my opinion you can’t claim ownership of something from nature. The only way to claim ownership of a strain would be to create it from nothing, ie. GMO, can’t really patent nature unless your make significant genetic changes. All these people getting but hurt over people f2ing strains is ignorance. Don’t want someone to remake them don’t sell em. After I buy something it’s mine and I’ll do as I please.
How do we know that it’s not the other way around, cannabis owns us? It’s used us as a vehicle to spread itself around the world, control our markets, and has convinced us to put our life on the line for it. Some devote their lives to protecting it, while others devote it to eradication. This is certainly one of the most (if not the most) complex symbiotic relationships on the planet. As long as we survive so does cannabis. I feel the plant deserves a say in this. *Passes the mic to the nearest MJ plant
This makes me think of the 2 different blue mystics, one from nirvana and one from royal queen seeds, I believe the RQS is an attempted recreation. It sounds like nirvana includes an unknown California plant in their lineage. Frustrates me, because if you don’t look closely it looks like the same offering from 2 companies.
And I’ve heard that freakshow is supposed to come with a “your not allowed to breed or profit from these” kind of disclaimer/warning, but I did not recieve it with mine.
There are several strains out there that the breeder shared freely, and only asked that they not be sold in their pure form. 88G13HP, Heath’s Black Rose, and Hawaiian Hashbud are a few that come to mind.
I dont think its so much ownership of a strain as it is respected the breeder that put so much of themselves into the strain. I also think once you are sold or gifted (testing excluded) any cannabis its your to play with and create as you like.
I think the words stewardship and respect are the key words here. if you follow that and they still get butt hurt the shouldn’t of shared them comes into play.
