Why medical patients can't grow CBD legally in Canada

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I’ve been working on this article the past few weeks and was hoping to share it to give a look into growing medically “by the book” in Canada:

Current regulations in Canada means medical patients can only purchase cannabis seeds from Licensed Producers. But out of the 69 that can sell seeds, none have and CBD strains and no immediate plans to offer them.

The frustrating thing is no one running things here seems to understand how crazy this is. CBD isn’t covered by health insurance, and if you’re poor and in pain, the only option you have is to grow your own. (It’s the only option I have.)

If you’re Canadian, please spread the word. I know all of us know how to access seeds on the ‘other’ markets, but most people don’t and won’t because there’s always a bit of risk when you’re doing Bitcoin transactions for seeds. The mom whose kid needs CBD needs the government to help her, not harm her, and letting LPs ignore medical patients is causing harm.

I’ve been in touch with breeders like Dutch Passion who told me their products will be hitting the Canadian market “sometime” in 2019, but man, we need a response from the Canadian government and the Licensed Producers about this.

Thanks so much for your time guys. I’ve only been around a few months but this is a great community. :v: :mushroom: :herb:

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#2

What about Freedom Dream seeds?

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#3

@PaleBlue the whole med system is flawed!
A while back 5 clones all having to be the same strain 750.00 plus taxes! Once you switch from buying product to growing your 6 month window to purchase closes , Along with purchasing starting material from a approved supplier which doesn’t exist at least last year it didn’t !

I did locate a approved supplier of clones @ 20.00 plus shipping if interested pm I’ll send the link ! Shiska

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#4

Well, besides the conflicting reviews I’ve read about how it grows, it’s technically illegal under Health Canada regulations, because it didn’t come from a Licensed Producer. Here’s a section of an email I got from Health Canada about seeds:

Q- What consequences do medical cannabis growers face if they obtain their seeds from grey or black market sources?

Under the Cannabis Act, neither an individual nor an organization (such as a company, club or association) may sell cannabis in any form, including cannabis plants or cannabis plant seeds, unless they have the appropriate licence from Health Canada or from the relevant provincial or territorial authority. Similarly, under no circumstances is it permitted for an organization to distribute cannabis in any form, including cannabis plants or cannabis plant seeds, unless they have the appropriate licence from Health Canada or from the relevant provincial or territorial authority. This prohibits unlicensed companies, associations, cooperatives or clubs from giving cannabis to any person.

Under the provisions of the Act, the limited sharing of cannabis for personal use between individual adults is not prohibited. With respect to cannabis plants specifically, it is not prohibited for an adult individual to distribute up to four cannabis plants to another adult, provided that the plants are not flowering, or have buds on them (in other words, the plants are in a “vegetative state” and have not reached the flowering stage). It is also not prohibited to distribute up to 30 cannabis plant seeds, provided that the seeds were lawfully obtained. The intent of these provisions is to not criminalize the small-scale sharing of cannabis plants and seeds between adults, such as family members, friends or neighbours. In doing so, these measures help provide legal access to cannabis, reducing the role that the illegal market and criminals and organized crime play in the cannabis marketplace.

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#5

Canada fucked up big time on legalization. If the feds think I’m going to follow this bs 4 plant limit and monopoly on schwag and overpriced seeds they are wrong. As cliche as it sounds, the ones who came up with this system are the real criminals. Nothing but money in mind. What makes these crooks think people are going to pay well above black market prices when they are growing on such a massive scale legally? Why is black market weed much cheaper, higher quality when it is much more of a risk to grow and distribute it?

I think the so called “value” of most of these companies is vastly over estimated and if there was a little bit of competition and not a monopoly then I think prices would go down and quality up. Why the hell do they care about quality when you HAVE to buy it or risk jail time?

Some people say weed is legal in Canada, in my eyes its not even close.

Grow some extra plants and don’t tell anyone. Good luck catching a whole country doing this. I will never spend a dime on any weed/seeds or any kind of product that has anything to do with an LP.

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#6

My suggestion would be,
don’t buy ANYTHING from the Canadian LP cartel.
Overgrow Canada has CBD strain Freedom Dream for free :wink:

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#8

Freedom isn’t a proven medical strain; it’s industrial hemp:

If you need consistent CBD and know nothing about phenotype selection or sexing, a non-feminized strain like Freedom isn’t an option. The average medical patient needs the easiest path to their medicine.

LPs have access to European seedbanks. An LP in my city is now growing Dutch Passion’s Charlotte’s Angel; there’s no reason they can’t resell those to ACMPR patients.

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#9

I haven’t seen consistent phenotypes in any CBD strains.
Freedom Dream (hemp seed strain) is government tested to assure no THC content.
Females have sticky buds, males have yellow flowers. It’s very simple to observe sex of a cannabis plant.

You can’t order any dutch CBD strain you want from a seed bank?

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No sorry, I don’t follow any CBD related grows.
I believe TNSB is operated by First Nations. It’s not illegal to buy seeds from them. Seeds are illegal to sell without a permit. That doesn’t mean obtaining non-LP seeds is illegal.

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Hate to break the news if First Nations want to open a store which they have the 5 bud chain already in SK. ! Realize the power and money of this group Casino money times 2
My bet is almost anything they can dream up to sell most likely will fly along with tax free price once there located on reserve land

And the first time a govt inspector says they can’t do this or limit them with something they don’t like they will remind him of there right on there land most likely to take a hike!

Grow ops on reserve land should be seen this summer large scale greenhouse seed to sale at a reserve near YOU

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#14

Most reserves in my area already have about 15 weed shops each in operation. Seeds clones, buds, etc all available.

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#15

I disagee but OK. How about if you are gifted seeds that don’t have a tax stamp? This is “illegal” to possess in your mind? I assure you it is not.

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Here’s a scenario with all the wide spread hemp being grown
A plant mysteriously grows on your property fully seeded and a nice 3 ft donkey dick to boot!

Who do you call to have it removed ? Leave it to sow a field of bud next spring , harvest and store the seed , is it really your seed since it grew on your property and a bird flying by dropped it ,or the wind blew it over to your place,

Now what ya gonna do with a zip lock full of seed ,put it in the freezer for a rainy day,gift it ,grow it,feed it to the birds?

If health Canada expects to control the seed market when it still cant control the med market and had years of practice already and see the shit show !

I really don’t think anyone is gonna care where the seeds came from!

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#19

I agree. There are a bunch of situations that highlight how stupid this all is. However, Health Canada wants ACMPR patients to get seeds from LPs but LPs aren’t selling them. We can talk about the loopholes all day, but I’d rather we just change the regulations. :man_shrugging:

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#20

I agree my first licence was to possess as soon as I realized the few options available legal lp’s offered I changed my mind to grow my own !

Taking the med licence I need seed or clones I was asked if I needed start up material I giggled and said thanks but no thanks !

What’s stopping a rec person to gift a med person some clones or seed the govt is going to run DNA and determine that a LP didn’t provide them???

It’s a project in progress typical govt jump the hoops game!

I tend to skip a few .

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#22

LOL
I’m pointing out your misinterpretation of the law, not arguing. I thought you wanted a CBD strain, so I thought I’d show ya how to get 'em. Wait for the government to supply you if you want tho :+1: Best of Luck to ya :four_leaf_clover:

Possession/acquisition of untaxed seeds is not illegal.
:v:

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#23

Gifting is the best way to get around Health Canada. That’s actually Health Canada’s recommendation.

I know things will get better, but it’s been over two years since LPs have been allowed to sell seeds to ACMPR patients, and we’ve gotten nowhere.

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#25

LOL Ok and so does everyone else who grows :+1:
…and your title is incorrect then. Medical patients can legally grow whatever they want. Just can’t get genetics from an LP. You’re following rules that don’t exist.

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#26

This is such bullshit! I feel sorry for you Canadian brothers that need these plants for your well being. When it all comes down to it all I can say is "follow the money " its these people that are getting their pockets lined with green that are the true criminals IMO hopefully things can do a 180 in short order!

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#28

That has to be maybe justa tad less retarded than the laws are here. But really once the seeds are sowed, how does one prove or disprove where they originated??? Guess im used to growing outlaw style. Its totally a no no here.

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