Hey @zephyr no problem , how are you friend? Wutsup @Tejas how’s things moving?
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Gawd, I love you, zephyr haha. Wish you’d post more. The last few have been pretty fascinating, pretty eager to read how these hybrids turn out whenever they get grown…
Just so I’m clear, these seeds you’ve mentioned in the last couple posts have been sitting in the flowers in jars or whatever for a few years now? You’re only just now getting around to shucking everything?
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The remarkable thing was how early they started flowering, I think at the beginning of august. They were ready by the first week of october, but I let them ride maybe as late as halloween or the first week of november to get some ripe seeds with the late flowering cangshan males. They did bulk up more and develop more resin during that extra time, but they are definitely early finishers outdoor.
selah concentrate smoke report:
it produced a light brown powdery hash that looks like dry sift keef. It is full melt, and it vaporizes well (dabs).
It has an unusual spicy woody cool mineral smell. It reminds me of traditional middle eastern dyed fabric (the dye pigments have a very distinctive sweet mineralic smell). A clean old basement that’s cool in the summer. Old wood. Incense.
The flavor is also pretty unusual. it tastes like woody incense, and mildly like a bloody mary. Like a zesty boozy herbal celery flavor.
The high is interesting, kind of hard to pin down. A brief euphoric body rush pushes away neck pain and migraine pain. After that initial rush the high is all heady. no couchlock. Sometimes clearheaded, other times slightly psychedelic.
Potency is medium at most, but the effects are pretty unfamiliar. That kind of underscores the potency.
Reminds me of some of the old decent quality northern california outdoor no-name greenbud that I would get on the street in SF like 15 years ago.
I think this one really is a time capsule. Like an old song.
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Nice write up, thanks @zephyr.
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Yes, thank you for sharing it with us all, much appreciated!
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another round of ethiopian afghani completed, here’s some fresh frozen concentrates.
2 batches of nectarine live resin in the same jar. Gooey transclucent crystals. Under the mild stonefruit smell there is more sour and dank than usual, something between skunk and permanent marker.
(ethiopian banana x omg)
at the bottom of the photo you can see a smaller batch made last week, I already used half of that.
Strawberry live resin, came out better than usual for this pheno fresh frozen. a mix of fine powder and sticky wax. The smell is very earthy fresh soil and moss with a base of tart strawberry jam.
(ethiopian paintbrush x omg)
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Really sounds delicious, thank you for sharing.
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Yeah, I saw this post on the Bodhi Plant Guide thread first and noticed that sorta finer,”grainier” hash in that jar, was wondering what you did there haha.
It all looks fucking awesome, anyway. You’re making me wanna start making hash. Or concentrates. Or whatever haha.
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It’s really easy. I can’t do the amount of labor required for dry sift or ice water hash, and I can’t deal with all the machinery to make rosin. This method is also good because it scales well, unlike rosin or ice hash you can make small batches.
You just freeze your bud in a glass jar, pour in freezing cold everclear, wrap the jar in a towel so it stays cold, and shake it for five minutes or less. Try to shake it as much as possible before it starts to warm up, and stop before the alcohol turns green. If it thaws the clorophyll will leach out into the alcohol, it turns green and makes the hash darker and lower quality.
Then strain it through an unbleached coffee filter into a pyrex. You can use a french press or something to quickly strain it and get all the liquid while it’s still at freezing temperatures. I use a lemon squeezer thing.
Then just let it evaporate at room temperature in a well ventilated area (far from anything that could potentially light it on fire).
There’s a trick to making it with the watered down everclear they sell in california.
If you have to use 150 proof everclear in california, there will be some residual water content. Once the evaporation has slowed down, and the remaining liquid is looking cloudy like absynthe blended with water, pour that off into a separate container. This will preserve the quality of your hash. You can evaporate that extra liquid too, but it will be lower quality than the rest of your batch.
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Is there a guideline for amount of alcohol to herb? Like if I had half a ball jar of herb, would I fill alcohol to the same level as the herb? Slightly above? I am lazy, have to get some sugar trim out of my freezer, and it is too hot and humid to want to try to sift anything. So this is temping.
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man it is way too hot and humid haha.
The ideal ratio kind of varies depending on how dense it is, and how that strain or pheno extracts.
I guess the ideal ratio is the minimum amount of alcohol needed for the manual extraction to work on that quantity of bud.
In general, pour your alocohol over the herb until the fill level is 1/3 of the height of your weed in the jar. That’s a good starting point, because once you start shaking it up it will look like way less weed after the herb gets wet and slightly broken down.
You don’t want the extraction too dilute, so start at about 1/3 alcohol to bud visually, then shake it up a little bit and add more as needed until you can tell that everything is getting coated and sloshed around when you shake it.
Not bud floating in soup, or a big hard puck of bud getting slapped around in the jar with just a little bit of alcohol. You want enough for most of the bud to be suspended in the alcohol when you shake it, not enough for it all to be submerged. you want the alcohol to get good contact with all the surface area of the bud, and you want to have plenty of manual agitation action from the shaking. so don’t overfill it you’ll want some air in the jar too.
I think the batches come out better if there’s not too much excess alcohol to evaporate. But yeah it’s all eyeballed.
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I’ve never seen that point so well explained! 
Cheers
G
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Bookmarked! Haha.
Thanks for the breakdown, I’m gonna try this pretty soon. The flower doesn’t have to be fresh frozen, correct? Because I’ve got at least a pound of flower in the freezer from previous grows that I never finished smoking before I’d finish another one. I mean, I wanna try it with some from the latest run, too, but yeah, seems like this’d be perfect for all of that old weed in the freezer. Guess I’ll just have to buy a LOT of Everclear haha…
Yeah, I was wondering about that, just because I knew that legit Everclear isn’t allowed here. Thanks for that Pro Tip, too haha.
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I cannot get everclear here in California or over in Nevada so every time we drive back and forth to Oregon I get a case of handles.
As someone who has made a lot of RSO I think what Zeph is trying to say is pour enough ETOH over the flower to saturate it. This is kind of done by feel. Add some, give it a mix, add some more, give it a mix. I repeat until I have a finger or two of everclear on top of the fully saturated flower.
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Agitation may be key.
Rick Simpson uses big buckets and then gently pounds the bud that’s in the aclohol with a 2 by 4 piece of wood. Then does a second rinse. Third time isn’t really worth it from what I remember.
Can use a fork for small batches and squish the bud for a while, as if you’re making mashed potatoes.
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It doesn’t have to be fresh frozen. dry flower is actually easier to make. It’s not as sensitive to the temperature. With fresh frozen, if the water content of the herb thaws it basically ruins the batch.
The live resin version preserves more of the terpenes so it has more smell and flavor. And fresh frozen also has the benefit that I can harvest and skip the drying process when I need meds.
thanks Gpaw
That amount sounds right for a large batch.
Yeah exactly. You can’t judge the ratio accurately until you start to mix it up.
I think for a small batch you can go lighter on the alcohol. a lot of times I’m only processing a half O or less, for a batch that size or smaller it only need to be saturated.
I agitate it by shaking it. I keep the jar closed and wrapped in a towel for insulation. I can tell when it’s done by the color of the alcohol, and if I feel the temperature start to rise I know it’s time to filter it.
With rick simpson oil you want to extract the essential oils inside the leaf as well as the resin on the surface. For this honey oil hash, I only want to dissolve and shake off the resin on the surface.
Especially for fresh frozen material, I don’t want to bruise or damage the herbal material and release the water content. I’ve also noticed with dried bud the quality is better if the bud is gently broken up by hand, and the quality is reduced if the bud is ground up.
Breaking up the bud is optional, but increases your yields by getting the resin on the inside of the buds. Basically you want to get the maximum surface area exposed without damaging the herbal material or the resin. You can break up the large buds by hand, or precisely snip the buds apart from the center stem with trimmers.
After I do the quick wash to make the honey oil hash, if it looks like there is anything left on the herbal material I can do a second longer extraction for RSO or tincture.
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It has been very hot recently
I made guava - lime - hibiscus sorbet
Coincidentally,
I am currently starting a ton of guava hashplant f2B seeds and f2B ix f1 male seeds. The B selection is the higher yielding fruity passionfruit mango selection. I’m going to do another round of breeding, and outcross the guava to the ethiopian afghanis.
So I’ll be making guava B f3s.
What do you call an f1 hybrid taken f2, ix to a different f1 male, ix to f2 generation male?
ix2? ix3? or is it also basically an f3?
(the other guava selection is Guava F, which has savory onion and garlic smells, smaller buds with glassy resin)
The guava was my main indica hybrid meds, so I’m very excited to cross this with the ethiopian afghanis and see what medical traits come out. I’m also excited to have some fresh guava hash again for my meds.
I also thought I needed to make an f3 right now to preserve the stock, although these seeds are starting just fine. Only the pale seeds aren’t starting.
I made the f2 in 2019. I don’t even want to calculate the fact that it was apparently 5 years ago, it mostly feels like no time has passed at all.
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Obviously it’s cultivar-dependent, but how much do you generally end up with when you process a half-ounce? It doesn’t really matter, that weed is sitting in the freezer, I’m gonna use it, but yeah, just curious.
This is good to know, thanks. For the stuff that’s already in the freezer, I’m just gonna do it as is (since it’s already frozen and all), but in the future I guess I’ll break it up first, put it in a jar and then freeze it? Would that be the “proper” way?
I dunno, but now my brain hurts haha…
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I probably can’t give an accurate estimate.
I’m usually getting around 3-4 grams of hash in my batches, not sure exactly how much bud I’m running. I haven’t weighed it before and after in a long time. but one of the reasons I selected these clones is because I get good yields on the concentrate. It will fill a half inch deep layer at the bottom of a “regular mouth” mason jar.
That’s what I would recommend, leave it intact and keep it frozen. It will still get somewhat pulverized when you shake it up. Just watch out for sticks that could poke through your filter when you strain it.
Yeah that’s what I would normally do for dried bud.
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Bookmarked this myself, thank you @zephyr !
I got a couple of ounces of less than stellar bud from an auto that got stunted and was a little deficient, so I may try my hand at this.
As far as letting the everclear evaporate, I recently did that when making an infused sugar and it was a pain to get it off the pyrex dish when it dried completely. Do you have a designated dish for the hash or does it seem to come off easy/ wouldn’t ruin my wife’s dish? 
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