“Authentic Durban Poison wasn’t created by anyone in a lab, or thrown together accidentally. Rather, the ancestor of this strain once grew freely in the windswept plains of present-day South Africa, making it essentially an heirloom marijuana type”
Taken from link in article. Now they talk of heirloom. now we go further down the rabbit hole at the durban hotel.
Well my fellow og’ers we all will learn tons about what we are really growing, history is part of what and how we got here.
now i am not sure if this durban test at what they say, and we all know it is how you grow and take care of them.
perhaps with the extra bump from the uvb rays? to bump thc production.
I am glad I am learning new things of this infamous strain that we all hear so much about.
for now though time will tell.
Arjan on a quest for new landraces, SA here. The one on their ventures into the Congo where no man has gone before is fascinating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTMZCh60WZU
The strainhunters are nothing more than modern day colonizing pieces of shit. They steal the local genetics then muddy the gene pool with their own shit.
Sorry to be so negative on this but seriously fuck these guys. They just exploitative money grabbers. Doesn’t matter how nice they come across or how cool their adventures look.
i can agree. i seen the posted video on when the people found out that the seed was worth far more than they were told,
you can tell that they are only in it to make money,
it is sad that they would even do it, but as you and i know @anon98152597 money is the root of all evil and when it comes to keeping things pure, well that is just how it should be. not watered down and stepped on.
landrace and heirloom strains need to be kept in the original state and kept for future farmers.
You can tell a lot about a breeder by what they say.
Then I like to look at person previous post and see what they are growing and crossing. And for the most part, try to figure out why they are growing and crossing it.
I mean are they attempting to make it better ? Really what are they doing?
so to keep an update on history ect of durban sativa (poison)
we move to the pure South Africa Sativa in the local area outside of the city of durban
what we know, Durban poison is a strain found in the 70s and brought to Amsterdam in 80s.
The strain grown here is a 1973 durban sativa (poison)
now what i am doing is i am going beyond that but i am trying to trace history of
the possible strains that could be considered “poison”
We may have some small other possible strains, that could be the Original Durban sativa (poisons) from 1973
meaning untouched remaining pure sativa.
At least time will tell what this strain may teach us yet.
None the less ladies and gentlemen, like all things that are magical and in the realm of wonder and excitement of the hunt that brought me here to share my tail of “The Green Pheno”
and light shedding history of a past we were not told. Behold the sacred sativa.
None the less these guys still keep coming up in the history of one of the great sativa in the area.
Kwa-Zulu Natal
more on these guys later.
Back to Durban poison. We have found the strain was found in the 70s, 2 phenos.
one sent to Amsterdam, to be worked and shared.
The other was no one at the time wanted to go long into flower when they could flower the faster version for convince of a fast harvest.
My research into the rabbit hole, about durban sativa (poison) has led me far down a hole of wonder and delight.
I started buying Dutch genetics back around 1990 when there was only a few seedbanks and breeders then - Sensi, Sagamartha, The Flying Dutchman, Greenhouse. Since then a 1,000 pollen chuckers have sprung up. Soon followed were the tawdry rocket fuel makers like Advanced Nutrients and the rest is history. The weed we smoked in the 60’s was pure Mexican sativa. I still have some of those old seeds albeit from the 80’s and 90’s I saved.
Crap is King in the cannabis industry.
It’s all about money with plenty of fraud, hype and mis-representation that goes with it. I can’t blame Greenhouse and Aryjan, at least they have the balls and money to do what they do. I hope they are preserving the landraces as they say they are.
I just ordered from Kwik Seeds. Service was great and is one of the few that I “feel” represents, and presents, true landraces. If they believe their source has been bastardized with outside genetics, they say so. https://kwikseeds.com/ Speaking of the Congo. Congolese – Kwik Seeds
yeah i know what you mean. I just know ot seems a lot of the 80s Durban poison lost its purity, like so many other strains.
guess i want to see for myself how the original sativa flower and smoke and see how they treat me.
Ive puffed on some great smoke, as i am sure you have as well my friend.
i do see a lot of crap in a lot of genetics but it’s like one man’s trash is another man’s tressure kind of thing.
a lot of nice land races they have, i would get them all if i could, and grow all of them too.
My South African friend, Love_ofLandrace on IG, and hopefully soon an OG member, told me what he was told about Durban Poison.
He said over 100 years ago, some local Afrikaans captured some Indians,( I am guessing during the Boer war ?) that happened to have seedy Hindu Kush buds with them. These seeds were planted and amalgamated with the local Kwazulu landrace, and the future Durban Poison was born, eventually an heirloom in its own right.
If this is true, the breeder in San Fransisco simply found a couple short phenos of Kwazulu/ Durban area plants that were remnants of this 100+ yr old Kush introductuon and isolated this pheno.( not saying this is easy) Swazi has a similar bush pheno that some say looks Thai, but to me looks like a Kush narrow leaf pheno from the Khandahar area. @anon98152597 many genepools are irretrievably fubared. Those that knowingly( understood they were messing up a genepool) and intentionally did this commited a crime against humanity imo.
thanks @upstate, that helps let us know that there where early genetics in California in the 70s.
so it seems like it was in the states before Amsterdam to get “worked on”
also now understanding that some were crossed with Hindu kush to shorten flower and bulk the harvest up.
my theory is with these im growing are the un-crossed pure verson, but im also thinking that in the 70s, in south africa the durban dagga would have come from the 3 different local land race variety in the area, and from what ive been reading and researching makes perfect sense. just hope to id the ones im growing. they are sitting at 3 weeks but from what i see with the long leaves these are going to be fun. im hoping the info. that is added will shed light on the mystery of the strain’s past, if you have more to share that would be great. Yeah mels name has come up a lot with my searching. what is the title of the book?
@CapnCannabis it just seems like a long flower time but ill be growing other stuff anyway and the way i see it, why not?
@blendmedmedman there have been many different landrace cannabis strains growing in SA for hundreds and hundreds of years. Historically South Africa has been at a crossroads of huge trading empires. There are suspected introductions of Southeast Asian cannabis, Indonesian cannabis, Arabic cannabis and Indian cannabis. There are many tribes in the region as well and many of them have used cannabis for just as long. Many have( had)their own strains at this point, and many villages have there own version. Some good, some hay
The confusion is the varied terminology used for the same landrace. Pondo is a Transkei landrace, and there is a "death " Pondo used by tribals to communicate with the dead. Both Transkei. Further, The wild coast is an area in Transkei and sometimes Transkei is called a name derived from particular areas within the states, such as Coffee Bay, in the Wild coast region of Transkei, where a shipwreck that allegedly had seedy cannabis as part of its cargo grew and established
itself in the area. So Transkei alone might be referred to as Transkei, Pondo, Coffee Bay, or wild coast. Probably others too. The same way distance and time mould American cannabis, time and distance have led to a remarkable amount of genetic diversity in South Africa, Sometimes different even and worthy of its own name.
There is Lesotho and Drakensburg, which is on the Lesotho border. Same?
There is Kwazulu/Durban, (the same? ) and then the Durban “poison” as well.
There is Swazi Red, but also a Swazi gold, which has Malawi thrown in since the 40’s and even a Swazi Skunk. ( a cross with skunk?)
No matter the name, there are several main landraces and all the others are cultivars/ sub sects of these several if I understand correctly.
Swazi, Lesotho, Transkei, Kwazulu.
Not sure where Ciskei or Drakensburg come in. Whether there is something by that name in SA or whether it was clever European marketing…
i couldnt agree more about the gene pools, seems now days if we find the pure we jump for joy,
seem perhaps back then they jumped for joy after getting the crossed seed. who knows though.
the reason im looking at landraces in the area is because the flower time on these are so long that makes me believe it is a landrace form the area, and the closest in flower time is the tanskei sativa. it matches what i think, as well as the tribes used it for lots of stuff besides just waking up.
The port of durban i am sure has seen seeded bud go through it, and im pretty sure a lot of the seed that came into south africa can be traced to southeast asia areas. since they would be trading, and sailors would carry the magic bean with them.
i did read about the lesotho sativa being close relative to the drakensburg
it is amazing for me to learn this, it seems to have occupied my brain as i had a dream about durban sativa (poison), i do believe the posion is just attached to dagga bud in around durban. kinda like saying pick your poison. non the less it is all in the name of trying to find the history on the south african strains that could be durban (poison)
The flowering time is the same as kwazulu. I’m thinking this is what it’s going to turn out to be. Whether it will be the version that has seen Hindu Kush genetics or not remains to be seen, but like you say its long flowering time suggests that perhaps it’s pure South African. The terpenes will tell us what it is. It could definitely be from Transkei. Kwazulu is peppery. Transkei can be pissy, citrusy.
thanks @Upstate time will defiantly tell what these are. way too young yet to know, still have a few weeks in veg before i can get cuts and then flower them. off subject, Oaxaca went into flower yesterday at 6 weeks, got cuts and now waiting for the sex to show, going to be a bushy looking beast, i think. thank you again.
