Definitely.
Shoreline always acts dodgy when I press him on more info.
He was selling his Crippy cut on Strainly, it wasnât a male either.
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Hmmm⌠
I donât blame him if he doesnât want to release the line.
I have a few of his crippy crosses, and crippy as well. Crippy is listed as the male in all of em, so at least thats consistent. As for the origins of the male, I have no ideaâŚ
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The ECSD really makes it difficult to differentiate between the two.
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Shoreline offers ten packs of his seeds for $300 on Strainly.
Donât knowâŚ
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Well to be fair Gas does say in the response, âIâve a hundred types that have more potential.â
His view seems to be that, although they are old, they came into his hands and went through his garden without much notice. It seems as if he grew the two females from those initial six seeds and was unaware at that time (flowering) what they were; he âdidnât make the connection these were from before 1990 until I thought about what the pack was alebeled asâŚwoops,â and so he, âasked guy to send the last 3 seed when I finally did the double take.â
Basically he grew them, and because they were only 6 seeds and there were only 2 females and they were apparently unremarkable, he simply hybridized them and didnât save the males for an open pollination to continue to line; hence âwoopsâ. And now he presumably has 1 or 2 of those females and is hoping these 3 seeds-to-come will produce a male. Or it could be that he didnât save any plants at all from the original 6 seeds, and needs both male and female âparentsâ from the mere 3 seeds that remain.
I find it interesting that he refers to cultivars/strains/lines as âtypesâ. Iâve heard a lot of old school growers use that traditional phraseology. That his career has been coeval with ClackamasCoot demonstrates his age. Personally I donât know many people this age who are excited to jump on the internet about anything. Even fewer who are living in tune with nature. I find it hard to imagine an old timer gardener personality who mistakenly overlooks two females with an old lineage but unimpressive traits is eager to declare the story to the internet⌠until asked.
Or then again there is the very real possibility that Swami Sacred Seed employees or affiliates have orchestrated this whole thread.
Weâre in too deep.
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These steps leave out a ton of other steps: like producing the seeds? You know, all the hard work that takes years. I also donât see how these steps assure any successâit seems like this process could be applied with little expectation of return in many cases?
I mean, if this âfour step processâ you have figured out works, should it not be replicable indefinitely? Like a recipeâif we follow these four steps, say one hundred times, will we succeed 100 times in our aims? I ask rhetorically; the notion is untenable, and so is invalid.
Consider: The world is full of now literally thousands of âcannabis seed breedersâ (like myself) each trying to market their own product(s). The vast majority of sales motivation within the industry of seed sales is driven by names; so much so that I might say, it is âentirelyâ driven by names.
This is no clever observationâeveryone can see it. And so seed breeders themselves purchase seed by the basis of its name. For example: Who is breeding with Big Bud right now? What about Pink Kush? Anyone breeding some âhot fireâ with Nukem? My point is: there are plenty of classically mediocre plants that are available to anyone who wants them.
But what do we see in the market right now? If the cannabis seed industry were a road trip, weâd be taking a pit stop at a gas station bakery with an old basket of fruits and a sketchy washroom. Strains today that sell are all Cookies, Cakes, Fruits, Rotten and Revolting smells. Their lineages are the âdesired studsâ of today that move packs.
This whole pessimistic conspiracy theory makes little sense. It is seemingly based around Swami Organic Seedâs motivations to name/market their seedsâbut it sort of overlooks how little of the market share Swami Organic Seed actually has. Gas and his work is relatively obscure to the cannabis seed buying community. He is not even in the running for being one of the players in the seed game. Heâs small time boutique, man. Iâd say heâs far removed from the cutthroat cultural influence of corporate marketing strategy.
If his intentions were to leverage for-profit the demand generated by âhype namesâ he would not distribute freebie " 1987 Dog Bud x NL5D". He mightâif he were carrying the unscrupulous intention to deceive which you have implied upon himâinstead list those seeds for sale with a ridiculous bastard polyhybrid name like, âBlack Lime Cakeâ or âGMO Runtzâ. In fact, if Gas is such a deceiver, why not just accuse him of selling Chinese Industrial Hemp seed labeled 100 different ways?
Oh right! Because people have been growing his legit gear for years now. Anyone can look up dozens of Swami Organic Seed grow logs and check them out and compare them to known information about the progenitors. If he was scamming with his genetics, the oldschool weed nerds who buy his obscure gear specifically for nostalgia purposes would have called him out long ago, and itâd be a whole thing weâd have heard about a dozen times over. Like all the bad actors who keep racking up horror stories out there. But instead we have solid grow logs and tons of entries in the phylos galaxy from his crosses and their derivatives. There is too much data exchange capacity to hide things these days.
Consider where we are now: âa Swamiâs old obscure genetics thread on Overgrowâ which perhaps only a dozen or so people on Earth have read. And even in this particular corner of the internet with a disproportionately intense fandom for old and rare genetics, even the discussion in this thread is moving slowly! 90 posts in 27 days between a dozen people is not exactly grounds to inspire confidence that there exists a fervent popular demand for the âmystery strain of high qualityâ to rise to popularity. It seems like it would be a misplaced effort from Gasâ perspective: why market specific obscure oldschool stuff to a niche audience who knows their genetics and hope to get away with deceit?
Also, step #1 of your process is âmystery strain of high qualityâ. That itself shows your misunderstanding of the cannabis genetics scene. Cultivators know plant types. You show me a Jack Iâll know itâs a Jack. You show me an OG Iâll probably know which one. There isnât a âstrainâ or cultivar that isnât immediately recognizable; because thatâs precisely how it becomes a strain or cultivar: being distinguishable.
If you grew a âmysteryâ plant and a dozen cultivators saw it, theyâd nail it down. Theyâd see the influence from the different genetics in its structure. Theyâd probably be able to come to a consensus about what the progenitors might be, or at least the landrace building blocks used in the lineage.
There are already sooo many types established. The chances of anyone even finding a âmysteryâ plant is astronmical. It is quite literally the point of nearly all pheno hunts and breeding effort: to find those unicorns; those unique plants, which are defined by their traits.
And so your step #1 of, finding a âmystery strain of high qualityâ is literally the lifelong vocation of all breeders. Thatâs what weâre all doing out here, man. Weâre literally looking for something newâsomething mysterious, and of course high quality. And if we find it, we have the opportunity to name it, and share it, and maybe profit from it, and maybe be remembered for it.
So I donât see your logic in condemningâin step 1 mind youâthe entire art of breeding, as if it is only just some clever ruse in Heritagefarmsâ four-step-process to swindling the nationâs billions in oldschool cannabis genetics revenues.
The whole thing is preposterous.
-Dr. Zinko
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So that post was not about swami but rather a known scammer in the industry and you have taken it entirely out of context, you must have a severe lack of ability to understand sarcasm because that is not my method and I never said it was. The person I was referencing In that post, the first half of which you did not caption has been caught in lies by well known and respected people in the breeding community. Those who were actually part of this ongoing conversation would understand that but you just jump in and make assumptions. You should go back and read everything before you jump down my throat with a essay about me when you know nothing about me who I am or what level of involvement I have in the cannabis community. You need to chill out before you make your self look like a complete bunghole , I have spent plenty of time referring people on here over to gas based on all of the things you are rambling off about. Iâm well aware of who he is and where his lines come from. Matter of fact I have several of his lines myself and donât support any breeder i donât respect. Work on your reading comprehension before you decide to address somebody you donât know in the way you just did.
You have no idea what I hold or have created and several of your statements are assumptions and personal opinions. Just to start plenty of people have seeds from lines that are not known and as much as you think you can identify something from a picture or make assumptions about itâs genetic background you are wrong. Most of the modern lines are poly hybrid on top of poly hybrid to the point so many look alike and can express differently based on enviroment your claims of positively identifying most strains from a picture shows the level of understanding you actually have when it comes to genetics, and spotting different og plants from a picture is a joke , there are several cuts that look identical and can only be distinguished by smell and taste combined with growth habits and structure. You canât tell the legit triangle from the fake s1 till week 5 of flower and that is known to those as high as it goes in the og kush crew. Most people who talk og kush have no idea what they are talking about and only hold crap s1 plants they hold in high regard because they can not get the real ones. There are extremely successfull breeders who have established there whole business from a s1 of og kush but very few have her or have even seen her. Have fun spreading your misinformation and trying to paint others as something they are not but those who matter are well aware of who I am and what methods I use when breeding. I hold more land races then anything else and despise the exact methods you are making it sound as if are my own.
In regards to swami and dogbud , pnw dogshit , electric boogaloo, nl/haze what ever you want to call it some have it most donât but it will always be a contraversial topic and Iâm sure he is well aware of that, how ever a old timer who is from the pnw having a old cut or genetics from the pnw esp considering he has ties to old circles is believable, on the other hand believing some guy nobody knows who has been caught in multiple lies actually has the krypto or gainsville green , black Cuban haze etc is a fools mistake, esp when he is asking $500 a cut and uses fake photos to verify legitimacy.
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Are you talking about the Norcal Kryptonite from oaksterdam?
No this was in the mid 90s in the mtns.
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No Gas stated to me they got it in 1987 at a greatful dead show, paid $400 so he assumes its dogbud
Exactly my thoughts Vernal, he said something about it on IG, honestly didnât sit right with me, 87 chemdog aka dog bud, not saying Gas is a liar, as someone connected to BOEL makes sense to me theyd have legit genetics, what didnât sit right was the whole 87 part, but I guess that if the original was good but chemdog is great, being s1 of dog bud.
Lmfao!!! Old Ass-canistan pumping his chest again. His sources are so credible they donât have to have proof! I wouldnât trust a damn thing that asshat has to say. Heâs been spewing bullshit for years. 
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Ummm⌠Iâll say it⌠Gas is a lying sack of shit.
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I used to get the original Shoreline back around 1999-04. Iâm from Texas, shoreline was a Houston strain, had a homie move here and was growing her, at the time she was held super tight by Asains, I believe. That shoreline was some stinky stuff, type of shit smell thru double bagged, bought an 1/8, smelled it as soon as homie opened my car door, skunk spray, put it in my nug jar wake up to my mom yelling at me what the hell did I do the whole house reeked lol good times!!! Heard Shorelines cat had trouble getting them to germ
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Iâve never met the dude so I have no right saying such, shit Iâm several states over, but ya made a post about on IG, I questioned him on it then though, made me do a double as I read 87 dog
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Think of everything you know about Bodhi, Doc D, etc⌠Gas is the polar opposite. A total shyster trying to hustle up whatever coin he can whenever he can. Hopefully heâs not still living in his school bus.
Hereâs one example. Gas was telling everyone he was writing an organic soil book, and Coot was co-authoring it. He was literally telling people âyeah I talked to Coot last night and started outlining the informationâ. I talk to Coot and heâs like wtf? I havenât talked to Gas in months. Gee⌠what ever happened to that book I heard so much about? All BS⌠
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odor: soapy dishrag thatâs sat in a ball in the sink all day
flavor: in a clean vaporizer at low temperatureânearly a dead ringer for clear antibacterial softsoap. then a bit of dryer sheet finishing with a kiss of dishrag.
effect: OG. pleasant, balanced, relaxing and creepy, but easily powerful enough to go too far.
when spent, it was a bit strangely (sandy?) textured and âtarredâ up my piece something fierce.
buds arenât huge, AFAIK sheâs not a production plant/yielder.
came across her recently in the mountains via a good friend.
I discovered she has a secret that doesnât get talked about.
I would do bad things for the cutting. 
