yup. get some Dehueys going in the dry room, along with an Ozone machine to kill any microbial hazards. Then maybe 10 days in buckets or bins. Trim and out the door.
sad
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They only get 60 days and sold in 14 days from harvest thats shocking and gross.
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and this is why you should grow your own
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@GrowHard And this is why I never buy weed in this state. Opened a couple dispensaries in the early days and all investors want quick return on capital. The best genetics grown with a shitload of pesticides and eagle 20 that’s picked at 60 days ultimately doesn’t serve the cannabis community at all.
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I struggle smoking weed I haven’t loved till death…i cant work with anyone who doesn’t care for plants animals and people! If you cant make their lives better…leave them alone! If you need money that bad…rob a bank that’s where the money is.
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You got to add lead to the diet for weight like that. Idk i call bs on all these 20+ oz 4x4s.
This should answer it all. Take a cubic foot. Try to fit 2lbs dry in it without compressing. That alone proves em full of chit.
More common example try fitting a pound in a half gallon mason jar. Thats close to what would have to be done. And living n breathing this tight. Now 2 lbs soaking wet buds with the pots still attached . Maybe.
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We were fighting hard together with Palindrome on the SOG concept (as we are used to do : we punch hardly then we share a beer after). But never on the yield or how to drive this kind of production. I consider SOG as plants (seeds or clones) with strictly zero vegetative state, Palindrome is considering SOG with none to a couple of weeks of veg. This method of production is so old than we can only fight on stupid tiny details and the philosophy around to stimulate our inspiration.
Now that’s around a little more than 20 clones (X3) in less than a square meter (not counted, quick visual evaluation). In term of productivity it’s not hard evaluate, even if the strain look not appropriated (not enough stretch, a bit leafy). He’s growing what he like mostly, not specially something to fill containers of weed to sell.
Profitable : that’s the main goal of this strategy, being on the best deltas possible. You win bucks everywhere : grammer/day, nutes : a sog clone don’t eat the same than a “tree” mode and the difference is big, it flower faster, harvest is very quickly trimmed … the list is long due to the specific calibration of the plant. But in term of marketing/instagram etc … that’s the worst case and the less photogenic show you can do to catch stoners.
The guy than is telling me than it’s sexy and worth to be shown in a catalog, i will just not believe him if he’s not breeding like a fool lol On the other side of the mirror, you set a HPS in a corner to make the marketing with recycled motherplants and show more things like that :
It’s strictly the same plant, but stoners will consider only the second case as proof of quality and hard work.
Practical : it can be an hell if you start from scratch, in discovering the constraints on the fly. Documentation is necessary to avoid all errors and to plan the right setup for it. I like to say than the most long in SOG, is to draw and to refine the setup (even if you’re used). Everything else is how you are planning your automation mostly but also the big motherplants required to feed a perpetual flo eating by batch of numerous clone, at a time. Personnally, i think than the most difficult step is to choose the right strain.
The sequence of the strain must contain a bankable stretch to compensate the absence of veg (if you’re from my clan) or to boost bit the extra bonus (if you’re from the clan of Palindrome).
You should avoid also all fluffy buds if the yield is top priority, you will lost in dried stats what you gain in term of productivity. So, Rockbud (soma) : Yes. Neville’s haze (Mnice): No.
Then you have bastard cases like the (old) Chronic. Nugs are like little rocks, but the plant don’t handle the SOG in term of productivity (except if you’re from the clan of palindrome, twos weeks of veg is enough to make something decent with it).
Yeah in fact the bigger difficulty for a SOG is to set it the right way, considering the whole equation.
I generally push “newcomers” with a light experience in grow to simply overgrow theyr flo space with 12/12 from seeds with medium of less than one gallon. Over it’s a waste of space, and SOG being in its comfort zone in hydro due to the increased density it offer. It’s more easy than clones (no planning, no turn over of mothers, no cloning process etc …), the inherent dynamic of seeds make it more easy. And it’s perfect to sensibilize to this technic without all the headaches behind.
For people with more lineage, there is no major difficulty. They generally master the cloning process and mothers management. The trap will mostly be the rhythm and to reach the same level of quality than with a classic grow the first rounds. The decrease in term of nutes use is pretty high and there is no official chart generally for this kind of method.
It exist a real polemic “online” between the “tree lovers” and the “lollipop lovers”, considering only people mastering the twos technics : the inherent quality of the weed expressed. The polemic always end fast around a table and a bunch of clone, but it’s unfair to don’t mention it.
The tree clan (extremists) : the plant have to be maturated in veg to give it’s full expression in flo stage.
The lollipop clan (extremists) : the plant just don’t give a fuck and you can enter in cup with a SOG weed.
Both are right ^^ Just because they generally always forget the genetic factor in their fights, so the right choose for the right use.
It’s always dangerous to be so absolute, giving the flank to all details you’re not furnishing in your consideration. That’s by example not something incredible for a long SCROG of Jack Herer, cost per grammer put aside.
I’ve to get back the crop in its feets, make a hole in the breeding plan and to plan something on the subject for a round. I start just now to understand than behind some gross approaches, there is a real need to watch and understand how it can work outside the subject of this thread : in homegrown context, without industrial constraints and money.
I’ve to stop to harvest each week for that and to change the whole rhythm of the crop. Not magic. I will try to do it during a veg-selection but tons of seeds to do before. I will see, i will maybe pollinate a Jack just for it with an american blend to make it more “familiar” and readable. To be continued by i keep it in mind.
Dried, tested, cured and packaged in 14 days?
One time you test that :
You never go back for tons of reasons : terpens, speed, bag appeal, potency … all in one.
Yes sorry, we call them just “neon” here : T5, T8, horticultural CFLs … it stay the same tech, a common “neon” tubes with ballast. I’ve used a lot T8 in past when HPS was like buying a ferrari, my return to neons later (early 2000) come from this experience.
So in a way i grow like the very first hours of indoor spaces ^^ There is no yield consideration behind or electric costs, just a matter of taste and habits. But it stay a good argument to demonstrate than a method can compensate the tech, more than the reverse.
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I’m thinking SOG w/ Royal Gold Tupur and Megacrop in one gallon smart pots. Like Jellypowered did in this one
https://overgrow.com/t/ledseedz-testing-grass-monkey-f2-monkey/8301/13
thanks for sharing your thoughts
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is that a trimmer on the photo?
what is a good cash crop strain for sog?
pls have quickly a look at my new clones for SOG and tell me if I need to free my clones from side branching now? (link for my thread below)
Thank you very much!
I’m also wondering what that silver thing in the pic is…some sort of drying chamber?
Focus more on indoor grow, it will be a very big difference to choose a strain for outdoor? What main factors for that?
Love that post mate . It can be hard to explain the benefits and procedure for SOG but you nailed it.
20 ounces in a 4x4 i would be disappointed with…
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GMO can probably push the limits on g/sq ft.
It grows big tower spears of 30% + thc delight.
I have some in my SOG now but working on growing mother out for more.
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@SamandMax and @beacher :
This is a “cold drying” unit where you put your fresh trimmed buds inside. To be short, it offer a very fast availability of the product (no more one month drying + one month curing for the “base” process) and in term of quality i consider it as the most “conservative” process i’ve ever tasted. You get the “what you smell on the flowers” in mouth of the best curing afficionados around with an electrical plug and in less than a month no matter the volume. And without their expertise off course. Couple it with CO² cans for storing and you’re close to something optimal.
Now, it’s extreme and it don’t mean at all than a traditionnal drying/curing is worse or better. It’s just a freaking great help for a SOG grower which generally harvest each week. To stay on the homegrown ground, I personnally need around an Oz per week to “survive”, in this context i mostly smoke fast dryed haze hybrids buds lol and i adapt the genetic used to this constraint. That’s the bad side with a SOG drived in perpetual, when you lose the cruising speed it’s very long to get back in your shoes.
Outside the impressive quality of the final product, this kind of expensive tool (for drying) can be the little luxury than can change the (homegrown) game in term of planification and strategy. I’ve discovered it in a couple of labs (not homegrown), and it really add a layer of quality. You lose less weight also (not impressive, less than 15%), specially with hazes profiles. I’m personally convinced and can’t wait to get one, but mostly for the incredible “combo insane quality/insane speed”. These twos concept are generally antagonists for everything lol but this tool make the miracle.
@Pedro_Bann You make me proud, thx ;o) I really need to sacrify a bit of time and proudness and to show the things as it. I’m waiting the optimal frame since a year and it never happend ^^ : multiple invasions on aged IBLs lacking of resistances. I hate this aspect of indoor breeding, you’re quickly in a bubble. I “sweet tooth #3 - disgress”.
@Craigson15 For now all the work on GMO cannabis is (hardly) focused on the leverages of the potency/ psychoactive cannabinoids. The concern is mainly the productivity of extractions, not really the quality of the flower itself or even the productivity of the plant, the terpens etc … it’s for now totally in an industrial way.
It’s also inherent to GMO engineering, a lot of people think than they are mechanics the head in the motor but that’s the case of the traditionnal breeder in fact. He got it versus the extended time (years, decades). In GMO you mostly work on genetic markers than are “mapped”, and they are pretty accurate and close in general. If you find the markers responsible of THC rate, at best you will work on the close enzymatic markers or around but not too far. Same with roots : you can create “instant” a plant made for dry/poor ground, but you will not directly work on the “qualitative” aspect of the production. It’s another step with a “host” in game, an in vitro clone washed genetically, sometimes another specie (cannabis /potatoe, cannabis/hop etc …) etc …
All of that to say than i need to roll another one lol ^^
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Seems crazy. My best was 12oz off a 2x2. That was under a 315w CMH serving 3 other 2x2 so that’s 4.3gpw if I had 4 clones of that strain.
Vertically grown that’s 12oz/ sq. Ft.
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That’s really cool. Do you have a link to a drying unit like that? I’ve never seen anything like that before…
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or just google freeze drier. These are used for making “live resin” concentrates, Fresh Frozen etc at the commercial places here in CO. The scary one is this thing below.
https://yofumo.com/products_proplus2.html
Grow you moldy and infested terrible flower. Toss in box, out comes gold.
-GH
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Huh, I had no idea these things existed. The yofumo is very interesting, but they sure are vague about how the thing actually works. I guess trade secrets and all…
Thanks for the links!
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I agree the number of new toys are crazy today ^^
@SquirtleSquad : that’s close to an half kilogrammer per sqm, it’s pretty decent for your constraints. Around 100 grammer per plant is not something easy to output for everyone. Like it’s not easy to learn to constantly output 1 oz per clone in SOG, in less than three months all included ^^
It’s twos different world. With a low number of “trees”, you have the time to grow beauttifull plants with intensive cares. With 25 times more plants, you start to rely more on genetic as the only provider of cares … you pass your time to water the plants, make clones no stop, boost motherplants and off course harvest/trim weekly. With only 100 plants in flo (4x4), you no longer have the luxury to make a bud porn on instagram or to expect beautiful plants. That’s the difference between a chicken grown in plain nature and the other one in a “chicken wings” factory, in a way lol The main difference is than a connoisseur is unable to make a difference between a sog weed and a “tree weed”, which is not the case with an industrial chicken ^^
But really for a SOG an half kilogrammer per sqm mean around 5-7 grammers per clone in average, it’s just catastrophic and i think than everybody will be ok with that ^^. Anyone can reach this yield in SOG in growing like shit just in planting enough plant per sqm, so in a way yes i understand why it’s so itchy considering the efforts/skills spent to get the same yield with large plants.
Asking an oz in SOG to a plant than naturally output a lot more in savage state is not a big deal. The big deal is the planning and the constancy to handle the rhythm, and make your possible to can harvest your motherplants each twos week. In SOG, it’s really an harvest of everything able to make a clone lol … the mothers are cutted so hard than i generally renew them each harvest with a new clone.
It’s easy in term of plant management, they live their short life. But everything else is more intensive, and perpetual for the more hungry of us lol You do everything at a time, all the time : harvesting clones, transplanting, harvesting buds, drying buds, renewing the veg side with new clones, seeds … no more “season” planning. I personally love that because the breeding in background, but if you forget one week to plan the next three months … you’re in the shit to the neck very fast. Same with infestations and disease, with this density you will have holes in your stash.
I continue to think about an humble demo but it’s a big sacrifice for me. If it’s not hard to set a round, it’s hard to assume it the next months after the demo. I can’t really “freeze” the plants and ask them to wait. I’ve to wipe the flo also, a perpetual SOG with sequential groups will show nothing to the people discovering this strategy. I’ve to use a pre-selection i think, i’ve a st#3 x Jh to make. Not bad at all to show a SOG. But it will be full of spider and gnats damned. In another hand it’s a good opportunity to show than with enough plants, it’s not hard to get yield than (sadly) appear totally crazy today. “to overgrow” was a real religion for a bunch of us back in the times.
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