Cheers yea I was impressed that was the first time I’d flowered under an led but aslong as you got everything else dialled in they seem real good so I’m gonna change for the summer play some more with them
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If your looking at herbals that was
The
Vivosun 90x50x160
4seasons 220w quantum par
Ac cloud line t4
1 30 ltr pot
Just under 7 off it
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I’d have to agree with you there! I’ve been a very happy customer of theirs in the past. Great prices and good people to deal with 
I just wish they still shipped here 
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I rock a kind x420 in my 2x4 and it puts some serious frost on. Mf was expensive but it’s a got a good warranty and is well built. I’ve used mars hydro fce series lights and they’re good too but not as good.
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I think Kind LEDs and HLG are two of the most expensive lights. But also maybe two of the best? I was definitely considering getting one of them. Wondering about getting something with IR in it. Also those mint white LM 301h diodes. What’s up with those? Are they worth getting or just a gimmick?
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HLG is good but I’d look elsewhere honestly. I still use my qb boards but prefer the bar lights.
It’s too bad progrow went commercial only as their 600w bar light is fckn great. I also have a mars hydro fce4800 that does pretty damn good too.
If I were to purchase something right now, I’d look at mammothlighting.com. their 4bar light should work just fine in a 4x4
SALE: 4 bar, 430w, 3' x 3', Mammoth Lighting Fold Series Led Grow Ligh
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I was wondering whether bar lights or panel lights are better. Check these out and let me know what you think. They have the mint White LM 301h also. But I think they’re a little better than the Mammoth. Ethos uses them and a few other guys.
I like the bar lights better.
The panels get hot spots under them.
I despise ethos but light looks good 
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The Migro had slightly higher ppfd with lower wattage and better spread.
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Oh are you one of those guys with the so-called evidence against Colin? Haha I’ve got into arguments for years with people on Reddit
I don’t really care about the alleged court cases and such at this point. Dude is a hack. Knowingly breeds with herms. I’ve personally seen a ton of herms from his gear friends have tried to grow. Nothing I’ve tried from him has been standout. Just lives off hype imo.
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When it comes to lights man it really depends on how much money you want to spend because most of these brands are comparable no matter what kind of b******* they try to sell you. I’ve got a spider farmer bar light but also have a bunch of quantum boards blurples and some use Samsung diodes others Bridgelux but from my experience, genetics environment and the actual grower determine success more than the difference between a $150 light and like $500.
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Well I can tell you I’ve never had a herm from Ethos and it’s been quite a few. No offense but when I hear people complain about herms, I immediately think something is off in the environment. My overall perspective of his genetics is great terps and bag appeal, but lacking in potency. It’s kind of something cool to have around to change it up but there are some really nice phenos. I can dig some up for proof if you want but kind of lazy and don’t want to bother haha
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IDK about you, but idgaf about terps and bag appeal.
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Hey @HolyAngel get a better environment 
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Do you know what terpenes are and how they function? It’s not just fragrance and taste… They interact with cannabinoids. So do you not care what kind of high you get from using cannabis?
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Bag appeal is only interesting if you’re selling.
Great terps but lacking in potency…
Some of the best weed I’ve ever had has zero traditional bag appeal.
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I don’t smoke for smell or taste. I don’t care if a particular plant is “super terpy” compared to her siblings. All that matters to me is effects and potency. You can fill a cart with terps and you aren’t going to get high. It’s really that simple. On the flip side, you can fill a cart with pure THC distillate and it barely takes the edge off for me and doesn’t last. Neither are the full picture. Bag appeal literally doesn’t mean anything. Trichome coverage means jack. The only way to know if it’s good or not, is to smoke it. Doesn’t matter how crystally it is, the looks can lie.
Potency not there for me, it’s trash. Goes in the bin. idc how good it smells or tastes or how many terpenes it has.
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Oh dear… 
@Headies12green do you even know how forum etiquette functions?
aaaaaand tossing this into the hat:
The PAR map is incredible. Such uniformity.
This looks great as well: Cypress EVO 8 Wide Bar LED Grow Light | Highgrove Lighting
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I’m grabbing new lights for two 4x4 tents in the next few weeks and are between these three (maybe also a Scorpion Diablo).
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