Just make sure when spraying with essential oils to let them dry completely before putting them back under the grow lights. Or just do the spray at lights out. Although your low temps could invite PM to attack if they stay wet for too long.
Speaking of your low temps, have you considered intaking air at the top of the tent and exhausting very slowly at the bottom to keep the heat inside? I’ve done this before in a breeding tent outside in an unheated shed and it survived all winter in Albuquerque. It wasn’t hot inside, but it was warm enough that plants flowered and seeds were made.
Thanks nube. I always do the sprays either right before or after lights out. If I do it before, I raise the light way up and dim it all the way down. Usually after lately. Since dark period interruption’s arent a issue during veg. I normally do it right after the lights go out. Super interesting idea you mention. Ive never thought of running things like that before. Just another reason I appreciate you checking this thread out. Thanks again for continually dropping knowledge here, I sincerely appreciate it.
@PlantShepherd- Thats what I thought, but apparently the sns209 is rosemary based, and is supposed to be systemic ? I am sorry to implicate you, I think it was someone else using the sns209 along with sprays.
It’s all good man. I don’t know about it being systemic. From what I read it’s pretty much a contact killer. However, someone might have information I’m not privy to. I always learn how much more I have to learn.
Edit: I found this in a google search. I’d like to see some science behind it, but they are claiming systemic.
I dunno if rosemary is systemic, but neem definitely is. Not a problem overall though, as it’s been used in India for this and more for thousands of years without any issues whatsoever, and there have been lots of epidemiological studies on it showing it’s both safe and effective. They use neem for everything. Hell, neem’s even in my toothpaste!
neem works ok, but I wouldn’t stake my grow on that shit.I found they repopulate fast after you stop using the neem. I would pour it on the roots of the plant. only works for 4 weeks max per dose.
I use neem & tea tree toothpaste! Love that stuff!
I have used neem oil foliar sprays successfully many times. It is most definitely effective. If they are repopulating quickly after using it, I would reevaluate the application methods.
no, I don’t use neem anymore. It was literally useless, because it won’t kill every last one of them. You have to remember, if I must go to the store to buy more, then I’ve already lost the game.
I have used neem to successful eradicate every last one of them. It comes down to application methods.
You have to emulsify it, and I would recommend to spray 3 times, once every three days to break the reproductive cycle. If you can add some essential oils like rosemary to the solution, it will be even more effective. I’m sure you already know this, but for everyone else, you need to strip any un-needed foliage first, make sure you have a fairly fine mist, use a surfactant, etc.
Thanks man. I am going to use the recipe that @nube posted above. I was gonna do it last night, but decided to give them break since Ive sprayed them with the plant therapy every other day for several nights.
Yesterday during the lights on period, I dimmed the led as low as it goes and raised it way up, then sprayed them all down with fresh water. I felt they needed a cleanin. I waited about 4 hours, then lowed the light again and dimmed back up to full power.
The SNS 209 label states that it takes a week of using it before it starts to work. I am just going to add it in with my nute mix and use it til its gone.
This along with the foliar sprays and the bleach spray before and after I enter, combined with cleaning every other day should keep them at bay. I dont plan on trying to fully eradicate since I am sure they are in my area.
Got a few more pics from the other tent yesterday. This would be day 22 of flower for these.
Not sure what is causing this plant to look this way. Cold, ph, led, mites ? None of these plants have been treated with anything. This is the SSDD, #3 I believe. It is the most stretchy of the group and also of all the SSDD so far. Interestingly, it appears to be further into flower than the Clusterfunks. The second pic is pretty washed out, its getting pretty close to the led and there isnt any more headspace to raise the fixture. Id say its about 6 inches from the light.
Just finished making the recipe from @nube. I am hoping its ok to pre make it, since I am not going to spray til after lights out tonight. I didnt use the lavender or rose oil, also omitted the cayenne. But with neem, rosemary, cinnamon, peppermint oils, bronners peppermint soap and wettable sulphur I think im good. Stuff is real strong smelling, dominated by the cinnamon. I might just try it on a couple of the males first tonight to make sure it doesnt burn the clones. Then maybe give it to the rest of them. Hopefully this stuff keeps for a few days in bottle. Already killed one whole round of plants !
I think your plants look like they’re different phenos of different strains reacting differently to extremely low temps in your growspace. This ain’t your first rodeo, so I think once you solve that issue you can move on to the others. You’ve mentioned a lot of problems this go around and with so many issues, I’d be surprised if any plants look good. I tend to not judge plants based on how they endure mistreatment; seems better to judge them based on how they do in perfect conditions first, then give them the torture test. Reasonable minds may disagree.
Will you post a pic of the oils you’re using for the IPM recipe? I ask because I’ve had friends say they mixed it up and it didn’t do anything in the past, only to find out that they weren’t using organic essential oils and instead were using cooking oils scented with the stuff in the IPM recipe. lol
The recipe won’t burn anything if you measured twice and poured once, with the right proportions of ingredients, and then use as directed. Mixing it up ahead of time is OK. I make a batch and it lasts two weeks, sometimes three. Make sure to shake it frequently so the oils stay emulsified and don’t use the very end when it’s having trouble spraying and mostly just sucking air - that’s where any unemulsified oils will be concentrated and that indicates it’s past time to mix a new batch. I never rinse my bottle, just make up more in the same container.
Thanks @nube. Your logic is sound. I dont plan on making any decisions or judgements on these plants until the clone run is done. I hope it isnt a total loss. It would be nice to have some decent smoke.
Here are the oils I used. Got them at the Natural Grocers’. Also took a pic of the wettable sulphur. Hy- Yield, i think. I used 3/4 of a tsp of that for 32 oz of spray.
How often would you recommend using this mix @nube ?
Seems like it might be too strong to use every other day. I was thinking every 3 days with this stuff, maybe 3 times. Then back to the lost coast plant therapy.
Ingredients look good. They’re waaaaaaaay cheaper on Amazon, just fyi for next time.
You’ll see some residue from the wettable sulfur, but I wouldn’t recommend using more than every 3 days and don’t rinse it off until a month from first application.
Also, you can’t use wettable sulfur in flower. It makes anything it touches extremely toxic when smoked. So much so that I wouldn’t use it after flip at all.
Damn rollercoaster of a thread bruv fuuuck!! Hardies about those mites and your other growing stresses too. Neem is the shit!! Ive seen a few people complain about having reactions to certain Neem oils in the States, but i can say, the ones we use out here Ive been using for years with no ill issues to my skin or respatory system or the plants ever showing bad side effects to it.
Neem Cake as well as Karanja cake mixed into the soil is a great amendment and natural deterrent to a number of soil born pests and pathogens if you ever want to go that route. @nube recipe is on point too and have also started using Sulfur once in veg, then just after i flip them, like a day or 2. I know with our sulfur that we get here, it says not to use any oil based foliar sprays within 4 weeks of doing the sulfur spray. Ive also seen guys using sulfur misters just before they flip their plants as well as between each grow.
anyways,… great thread to read through thus far… oh and been itching on the cluster funk for some time… keen to see how yours come out …
Hey man @Sunvalley howzit growing? Clusterfunk is definitely on my radar as well! Can’t wait to see them grown out. Everybody seems to get big chunkers from that strain.
The agricultural sulfur here says to add some oil to a sprayer to help keep it from foaming, but if using it on citrus specifically don’t use the oil, and don’t use on citrus within 4 weeks of horticultural oil use:
I’m guessing because it will stay on the citrus skins longer if suspended in oil and be toxic instead of washing off? That’s my thought with not using it after flip. It doesn’t say that for any other edible plant uses, and it lists a bunch. I know some people won’t use it within 2 weeks of flip just to make sure no bud leaves or leaves left on during drying will have sulfur on them to taint the bud.
personally, I would only use sulfur to combat powdery mildew specifically, and with a certain protocol to eliminate said pathogen: spray once in veg then once again two weeks later, mildew is dead. Make sure you completely soak the plant(s).
all good bruv… the summer is definitely rolin in… I’ll check the bottle of stuff i have and may have not read correctly between times to use it lol… i do that hahaha.
I remember the label on mine saying something similar to this, or some burn may occur?.. so maybe why i decided to go 4 weeks between. I do however wash my plants off with ph balanced water after about 30 min of spraying them so think im ok going into flower… well i hope. lol i guess id have to have the flower tested to know.
I agree with @JoeCrowe that for PM sulfur works wonders.
They’re waaaaaaaay cheaper on Amazon, just fyi for next time.