That Matt Berger/orgnkid green pheno definitely has a tk/og flavor buried amongst the chocolate/coffee notes. Gotta say tho, I’m not really a fan of that bubba kush cut. It’s okay, but that’s as far I can go with it. Heard quite a bit that her s1’s and outcrosses produce better cuts.
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Interesting, thanks. I find all the origin tales interesting, but they tend to change over the years and the people claiming them usually have skin in the game. I’m in UK and have no idea of the truth about origins. My cut is proven after 12 years of S1s and crosses… any story comes secondary to that imo.
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“If that is true then it would explain why The Pre-98 cut breeds and selfs so well… because an S1, having been essentially inbred for a generation, would be significantly more likely to breed true for any of its traits than its parent.”
that is my take away too if true. archive and csi both say that cut came from swerve initially.
but as to the rest of your post, yeah on the Adam Dunn show when Josh D and Matt Berger are talking the origin of Bubba Kush, Matt says Josh’s Kush (OG) hermed and pollinated Matt’s “Bubba” cut of Northern Lites #? but then Josh chimed in and said it was the Bubba that hermed and pollinated his Kush (OG). So even at this level of the story there seemed to be some light confusion.
I’d have to go back and listen but I’m not even sure if it was just the one seed that came from that or what but yeah that’s the seemingly accepted origin story for Bubba Kush at this point.
the whole Berger cut thing is not something i’m familiar with seeing being used up until recently. i was under the impression Matt Berger wasn’t in possession of the cut himself the entire time when he moved FL > CA so i guess there’s that possibility of that cut itself being a s1/copy but i’m not sure.
but you’re right there is some shit that doesn’t fully add up. because you’ve got the cut CSI reverses which was shared by Shabud which is according to those dudes the “oldest” sourced online cut of Bubba Kush… and now recently with the Archive x Orgnkid interview, Orgnkid says he either bought or recieved the Bubba Kush clone from a mutual friend named Bernie, who got it from Josh D’s crew late 90’s/early 2000’s…
so if the “Original Bubba Kush” via Shabud and the Orgnkid/Katsu Bubba Kush aren’t the same cuts, then what are they? lol. Perhaps the “Original” Bubba Kush didn’t come before the others like people think it did. Or maybe the Bubba Kush Orgnkid sold as clones (which we today call the Katsu) was an S1 from Orgnkid’s seeds in a little bait and switcheroo?
Def some loose ends still. Or maybe I’m missing some info here. Most of what I’ve gathered is from those old Dunn Show podcasts, talking with Nspecta, and now hearing this Orgnkid interview.
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Looks like the Katsu Cut to me, which i thought had large calyxs and slightly more elongated buds. I held it for a while but i don’t think it’s as good a breeding cut as the pre-98. I didn’t dive deep but there seemed to be some m/f weirdness with the Katsu offspring that i’ve never seen with the pre98.
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Interesting to see it presented like that, thanks!
( i can’t really comment on the OG comparisons as the nearest ive had in UK was the Abusive OG cut )
But the idea that 2 separate crews came up with the ‘pre98’ handle independently of each other seems highly unlikely… and some of it does seem a little simplistically ‘convenient’
so yes i agree, it doesn’t all quite add up but there is probably also some truth in there too.
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i’ll take a listen this weekend. i know Kenji was in the Kush circle when it became OG but don’t really know more than that.
In the Adam Dunn Show OGK episode with Matt Berger, they touch on Bubba and his phone starts breaking up but he says two other dudes names that helped him grow those out or some shit. Of course Dunn and Mitch don’t follow up lol. There’s another part where Josh casually says there was two Bubba females from the original herm pop and again Dunn and Co just gloss right over it lmao.
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With Swerve it sounds like he popped up later with that cut. Probably just trying to ride the coattails and generate hype for his seeds. Not saying the pre98 is a bad cut by any means. I look at it as a sport pheno of Bubba K.
There was also the whole pre98 Kali Mist or pre2000 Kali Mist label that was big at the time. Seemed like calling something pre-xxxx was the meta to pretend you have something obscure n unique back then lol.
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Did Shabud/707 ever talk Bubba Kush in his recent interviews? I think I finished the Pot Cast one and don’t think they touched on it.
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I was not able to watch that yet but if they are explaining that the soul assassin crew found the seeds that became bubba kush in some og nugs that would be the story I originally heard in the early 2002 2005 timeframe and it was always told that the bubba ( northern lights) was what she’d the pollen , I grew that cut of bubba and it would indeed shoot tons of nanners if the light was to close , one of the plants I’m still sad I didn’t keep.
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He didn’t I listened as well. Cool interview, he really think highly of the catpiss, anybody ran that? There is no way in hell bubba is related to og. I dint buy it for a second, totally diffrent smell, growth habit, high, etc. Imo bubba looks and grows like a dwarf afghani. Just look at the fans, flowers, and stout growth. Pre 98 talk is silly and used as a ploy to sell seeds same with all these dumb cut names for og kush, sour d etc. Funny how there’s no mention of it from the original og days.
I don’t ever recall hearing that term from anybody then in 2000 2001 Era. The only bubba I ever smoked bought or grown was a purple plant that smelled like coffee, and left a heavy incense smell behind in the room after smoking. Nothing like og kush, I don’t buy northern lights being in the makeup either. It’s the new thing now to trace your cut, seeds, or clones to the early 90’s lol. Does it really matter though? Who cares it’s fire herb that’s all that matters. All these cuts are freaking bagseeds that people named imo.
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That picture is spot on! Glossy alligator skin leaves are what I remember. Nice dude
You know it seems unlikely but possible , the irony here is the first time I ever heard the term pre 98 was when I used it as a label on some seeds I had collected prior to 1998. I grew a few out and found one of the best males I have seen to this day , that male was used in Tahoe to make some crosses with la confidential and Hindu/skunk and then the male was gifted to a buddy who lived in the San Fernando valley who happens to be who I got the bubba kush cuts from originally , thousands of those seeds went down south and my buddy bred with the male him self but I never heard anything else about it. I highly doubt this has anything to do with other people using the pre 98 moniker but this was 16 years ago and goes to show that for some reason that date was selected by more then one of us as a reference to something.
Anybody in California got the katsu or pre 98 cut I’d love to grow them next to the cut now going around as Matt’s bubba for comparison 
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Sounds like you just had Bubba. The original before it was crossed. This Berger/orgnkid green bubba is 100% an OG or TK cross of it. There’s no question about it, it’s as it’s clear as day when growing them out next to each other and smoking on both after the fact. 10000% OG of some form is in the Bubba Kush. Never had pure Bubba to make any guesses there.
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Idk the cut I have as Matt’s dosent resemble og , only similarity is the same leaf color as the 92 when in veg.
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Triangle Kush
Bubba Kush
Triangle Kush
Yeah those two don’t look alike at all 
Even for any visual discrepancies, some of those berger Bubba Kush flowers taste just like OG or TK, with the earthy hashiness. The tops are mostly the chocolate/coffee thing, sure. Plus the overall high I get from that Bubba Kush cut is 100% similar to the OG Kush I’ve had in the past, and this TK, just not as good. Don’t have to agree with me on it, but i’m not seeing how it could be anything else after growing and smoking on them for the last few months.
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