You are right, you never said Organics didn’t grow plants. You said salts grew better plants. I and others challenged both that that was empirically the case, and also how we define “better”
“It does a better job without magic and I think that bothers people like you”
Fertilization does not bother me. Had you actually read much of what I have written, I have and do use salt based fertilizers.
The thing that you are still majorly missing, is I don’t think I ever said Organics was better. I only leveled the argument that growing primarily with salts wasn’t better. That’s a VERY large difference, but you seem to interpret it the same.
I also know, that if we are looking big picture, that growing with them primarily is not the best way to grow. You refuse to acknowledge that we do not deal with the hidden costs of our waste streams. Which are very measurable things, not insignificant as you brush them off to be.
For me , this way over justifies reduced growth and yield. I grow for enjoyment and high quality medicine and head stash. It may not justify that to others, but that is why we have this conversation to get us all thinking, learning, and hopefully questioning some things.
Maybe I type too much and you only skim what I say…
If you wish to engage me further on this topic, I would greatly appreciate it if you would please try to understand what I am saying here. I feel I have given you that respect and have been both thoughtful and thorough in responding to your arguments that I found to be fallible or incomplete. In return to many of the challenges to your arguments I have leveled, I have been met with either snark or dismissal. I am only trying to help drive a conversation about the merits of how we grow things, and we all have things that we can learn from each other.
I’ve seen them used but don’t know too much about them. Is it normally used with soil or a soilless medium?
Looks like it would be a lot of fun to play with and gives you lots of options to tweak things for what works or is readily available. Cool set up for the tinkerer or the lazy man.
If you think that a strawberry grown hydroponically or even in massive fields sprayed with fertilizer and pesticide either organic or not is better or the same as a strawberry that’s grown in a local diverse natural environment, then I question how effective your taste buds are. Cannabis is like every other plant in this regard
@vernal Your focus on magic, vitalism, and feelings is distraction, not undisputed truth.
These are significant in my eyes, just not the only reasons I believe soil grown to be better. Flavor, smoke quality, as well as all the magic, vitalism, and feelings that you hold so much disdain for.
Man, I really don’t want to get pulled into this circle jerk, but is there objective criteria you could point me to that supports this notion? Only asking because I can’t tell the difference at all. Maybe I have Covid taste buds or terrible taste, but that’s just me.
My opinion is based on 25 years of sampling the best weed I can find. My closest friend has been growing dank hydro for most of that time I learned a lot from him. Even w top notch strains the hydro all tastes similar to me; kind of bland and metallic. You lose the subtle uniqueness of the different varieties in my opinion. They can get bigger faster; yes. Some connoisseur hydro is better than others, yes. Some connoisseur hydro is better than some soil grown, yes. But, the best soil grown out performs the best hydro in my experience.
Yes this is just my opinion; it is based on many years of sampling. It’s ok, if you don’t agree w me, i have many friends who also like hydro.
If you’ve never had the real deal, it’s strawberry season in New England right now. Come visit Vermont or Ma and find out what the hype is all about! Don’t wait too long tho the season is quick, and it’s been a hot one already; that means they go even quicker!!
Unfortunately the best varieties of strawberries, tomatoes etc will never be available outside of farmers markets… organic or not, due to transportation and shelf life. The best stuff’s sugar content is so high it goes bad in days and is best straight off the vine.
Speaking of tomatoes there’s a ‘side by side’ study that was done with a synthetic fed plant vs an organic one and the synthetic one had little to no secondary flavanoids in the finished product where as the organic one was very high in that count. Just putting that out there
The green revolution combined w the expanse of corporate globalized food systems that forced the destruction of locally based economies is not all bad, but it’s not exactly the best either.
I live in Canada and I always thought I hated grapefruits. Until I had one way down south that was sweet and delicious. What I hate are shitty imported grapefruits. Sour and nasty.
I’ll add to that, that asking for permission to keep doing whatever you’re doing is a sorry way to live. If you’re happy with what you’re growing and how you’re growing, you don’t owe anybody any explanations. That’s some kind of sad facebook/instagram life.
The idea that there is one singular best is nothing more than a fool’s path to unhappiness.
