Good point have you seen the Gabe brown video of a 13” rain that had fallen on his fields with absolutely no runoff and was able to run a floater vehicle a day later over it? Guess having soil that’s approaching 10% organic matter in it has something to do with it while his neighbors field ended up being a big muck pit more suitable for shooting ducks off the pond? 
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“His soil organic matter increased from 1.9 in 1991 to 6.1% and that has increased its water-infiltration rates tremendously.”
I couldn’t find the video but I definitely learned something new today.
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Looks like you need bigger bread then? Along with more bacon lettuce and of course another spoonful of mayo! 
great looking mater bro!
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Today I’m learning so much more and expanding my horizons with all the big words thrown around ! Thanks peeps for making my morning much more enjoyable! But holy shit this thread is taking time to get through…
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I thought Elaine Ingram has mention upwards of 80 elements are needed for plant growth but what the hell does she know? 
I suppose the 40+ years IIRCC as a soil scientist may have been a complete waste of her time!
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Yep you got that right, especially bloom ferts, veg fert no problem.
The other thing is you pay for the “organic” label when “bio” is just as good.
Sometimes I get a little too feisty for my own good. Sincere apologies to any OG that I pissed off here, w my antics last week. (If anyone needs a seed hug to feel better, hit me in the dms)
This place is great, it would be just as hard to come up with one answer as to what makes it sooo great here…
Is it the wide array of dif perspectives? Is it the access to tools, recipes, advice? Maybe it’s the beans?
Cheers OG!
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The research into flavorless weed I’ve been doing has come down to this: parasites on your plants really kill the plants ability to synthesize flavor and smell.
The current leading theory! Falsification trials are underway.
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Pretty much all the research has demonstrated that, yield, nutrition and growth rates are higher in agricultural production where synthetic fertilisers are used. That’s not a moral/magic/ethical statement, just what the evidence shows. NPK is the same, regardless of its source, that said, available nutrients are only part of the story… structure, ph, organic content, micro organisms etc are just as important. Taste is a lot to do with the cultivar as well as other factors, tomato’s for example can be wooden and bland unless they experience some level of water stress… so in hydro they raise salt levels to reduce osmotic potential and to simulate water stress. A LOT of the breeding of commercial cultivars is about a lot more than taste… that’s only one consideration, things like drought tolerance, spoilage and robustness for shipping purposes are as much a consideration.
Runoff is a problem with overuse, and poor land management practices such as continuous tilling, not replenishing organic content, over clearing natural vegetation and irrigation where the water table is already high resulting in rising salt all contribute to land degradation. Organic waste is also a cause of high nutrient loads in rivers and silt that can result in high water turbidity, reduced oxygen content and blooms of often toxic algae, not to mention elevated levels of fecal contamination etc.
Imho; just use whatever works and don’t over use it.
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Good point about people clearing land. I kid you not every farmer I know will cut, push, burn every tree, piece of grass, exc. Just to gain that extra acre. Not like they need it…
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wow people! I got the results back from the trial and I can tell you this:
From the long list, it’s been whittled down to either multiple synthetic poison sprays, and/or pathogen attack.
I can say with confidence now it’s not:
chemical vs organic
nutrient deficiency
The buds came out looking “normal” to the human eye but microscopic images reveal pathogens.
tastes nasty and has no good flavor, sort of green-like. Not fresh cleaned hospital flavor like when I grew it in a clean room.
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I’ll say this much(well more actually):
Salty Hydro don’t cut it for me as medicine. The sun & soil, etc. do something to make a huge difference in the relief of symptoms. To the extreme, a 98%THC vape cart., clear CO2 stuff, doesn’t help my nerve/pain/muscles at all. Just gets me baked. 
As far as flavors go though, there can be some very nice stuff. I just haven’t seen black market hydro flower in a looooooong time & the retail stuff is all dry as flour & crumbles to dust 
so it’s lost 3/4 of it’s flavor… hard to say.
Those secondary terpenes & flavonoids seem to matter to folks in my situation…the med users.
@Vernal’s still right: hydro makes scary big yields. I just wouldn’t want any 
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I find it interesting that a lot of people on the organic side think hydro is lesser quality because all they’ve seen is shit quality when I’ve rarely if at all seen a salt grower say all organic is subpar.
Hydro makes big yields AND quality if done right. A shitty grower is a shitty grower no matter the method. I’ve had trash LSO weed before but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna put a blanket statement over all organic growers\weed because of it.
As others have said already, IMO the drying and curing is the most important part and is what really makes the difference between something that burns shit and tastes like hay and something that burns great, tastes great and gets you wrecked. From what I’ve seen a lot of people under dry their weed and put it into jars too soon and that’s what makes the weed smell like fresh cut grass or burn like shit. I’ve had plants hanging for over 3 weeks and they still aren’t bone dry because the humidity isn’t too low.
Over/under dried weed is shit and as @cannabissequoia says dry crumbly weed with no smell or flavour doesn’t do the trick. High % extracts with no smell/taste too. There’s definitely something to the “entourage effect”.
Also feed my plants right up until harvest and they burn fine and taste great as long as they aren’t over/under dried. Light intensity and climate have much more of an effect on your plants than if your nutrients are organic or not, the plants really don’t care (unlike people). At the end of the day they are taking up the exact same ions, just a different way to get there.
Seems like dispensary weed almost everywhere is trash. If people’s main reason for growing is money (which a lot are these days) then quality is gonna go straight out the window. You should see the garbage they call weed sold at the “legal” stores in my country. Looks worse than shit I bought from someone shady in an alleyway 15 years ago 
Another thing that really effects quality is harvest time. Lot of growers in it for the money will harvest early.
Chemical or organic which is the best? Neither. I’d rather someone who has passion and cares about quality no matter the method grow me flower than someone who’s just in it for the money. This whole who’s better is politics for the people and all I’ve really seen it do over the past 5-10 years is divide growers.
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This is gold here, thx for posting that @Chronickyle
This too, I agree100, we don’t need more one-up-manship in this troubled world. Sorry for the times I got a little ego-pushy. Passion leads to quality that’s the truth. Let’s Outgrow this whole capital-based paradigm!
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Ssris and snris don’t have much effect on your ability to get high from weed. Shrooms on the other hand should be avoided entirely (acid too, any 5ht agonist really) serotonin syndrome can kill you. I miss tripping, but zoloft keeps me willing to stick around which is decidedly more important than traveling on the poor man’s rocket ship.
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What’s it called again? Blue Ego 1? Something like that… into the bezosphere…
really hope I didn’t just coin a word that inflates that asshat
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I’m almost positive the shape was intentional, just a giant suck my space dick to the rest of us.
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Sometimes a penis shaped rocket ship is just a penis shaped rocket ship 
Freud.
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I challenge you to find a rocket that you don’t think is penis shaped.
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Challenge accepted
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