Is it possible that diverse and varied ecosystems that supplied nutrients through location specific inputs from all around the world was a relevant factor that led to the creation of numerous different varieties or strains of cannabis that were both the same plant and very unique from each other? All with unique and different healing qualities flavors, and types of high.
They were all using the same 13 nutrients, so why did cannabis evolve w so many different flavors? Yes I know breeding and genetic differences, but what led to those differences in the first place? Question for an actual scientist; of which I am not.
Selection, be it environmental pressures or humans only keeping seeds from the best in whatever attribute each year. Combine with genotypic variation and it leads to thousands of distinct cultivars.
Corn, apples, peppers, actually most produce, used to be this way before mega farms and grocery stores that all wanted uniform fruit with long shelf life across the world, year round.
Before humans got involved; what were the environmental stressors that led to such diversity? Sunlight availability, temperature, the air, the food the plants were eating?
The local climate, elevation, local herbivores, insects, waterfall, temperatures, humidity, lots of factors. The Hindu Kush region is extremely varied, then people took the highland and lowland plants they found and distributed it. Weāve had our hands on this plant for thousands of years. Even āwildā plants have probably been worked by humans at some point in their lineage, whether from pollen interaction or seeds being dropped and acclimating to the location on their own.
And honestly Iāve read multiple theories of origin point, all basically north of that same region; central China, Mongolia, Siberia. And all fairly varied terrains until you get to the Mongolian steps and Siberia. With the fairly distinct variation we see, it may have just originated in that whole area through nature (seasonal floods washing seeds from highlands to lowlands, etc) and humans spreading it. Highland and lowland varieties, which have adapted to live in a cold to sub tropical climate, thatās dry to humid. With little to heavy seasonal rain. Then we started mixing them to suit our needs
i pour salts into TLO is my blanket statement when people argue organic vs. chemicals
been an argument on forums as long as forums have existed and like i said it used to be the hydro cash croppers who would be on the attack with blah blah blah hydro yields this much more and organic guys blah blah blah but it doesnāt taste like this
I have wore both hats and been that douche arguing with the other side on both sides and now i dump salts in TLO
why? because im the one growing it and smoking it
and never a one time has anyone said is this organic or hydro grow what works for you and yours maybe its organic maybe its bud so full of salts it sizzles
If your going to use salts get the best . Grow More products has formulas for all types of growing I use Sea Grow all purpose 16 -16 -16 A hybrid blend of botanical seaweed extract, blood meal, organic carbon, amino acids, carbohydrates, primary N-P-K plant foods, yucca extract and micronutrients. Bio-stimulant effect from seaweed promotes vigorous growth, better quality fruits and abundant blooms with better keeping and storage qualities. Recommended for indoor or outdoor growing situations, container plants or field grown plants using native soil and artificial mixes.
16-16-16 recommended for vegetative growth cycle and transition to flowering stage. But I have used it start to finish with great results or this when flowering .
I like giving my soil LBS and Peak from soul synthetics, both are about as close to organic as you can get synthetically. Look at the ingredients.
Currently Iām doing a run in coast of Maine Stonington vs my normal years old, amended composted soil ( without changing the batch thatās in there I have grown 3 cherry wine to sex, 1 allowed to finish, 3 abc to sex, all culled and now a berry freak thatās 3 weeks into flower which is my now biggest plant. To keep it fair all of them are only getting calmag and.molasses for feeds. I might top dress with some terp tea bloom, but thatās it.
Iām torn because Iāve done mostly organic soil for so long, and Iām running hempies and a dwc currently that are killing it too, and they are just as easy but cheaper to set up and run. Both methods grow plants well.
No agriculture and human selection is the reason we have such a diverse number of varieties. Like most food/other crops we grow cannabis was likely nothing like what we smoke now back in the day when humans started cultivating it for multiple reasons (maybe like Siberian ruderalis?). Just like the wild counterpart of tomatoes, potatoes etcā¦look absolutely nothing like the wild (and poisonous) version. Thousands of years of human selection can do amazing things.
Hereās 2 links that better explain how plants take up nutrients and how theyāre all the same at the end of the line.
@catapult you seem to be missing the picture and itās clear all this organic marketing is working when you are constantly using words like synthesize, synthetic, bland to describe salt grown (clearly lack of experience). You are very mistaken if you think hydro only grows big/bland/weak weed or otherwise. Most of the analogies comparing a plant to animals or human food make no sense because plants arenāt humans or animals.
Crazy how nobody has talked about pests in organic amendments/ pre made soils. Iāve noticed (anecdotally of course, grain of salt) that a ton of people who try to grow no till, organically etc indoors seem to have a pretty high incidence of pests.
@TheShowMeHomie
I agree even 5 years ago youād barely hear anyone talking about organic (even though people have been growing that way forever) now a bunch of them are on a soapbox and think their method is the end all method because it is ānaturalā. Not trying to group all organic growers in this pile as thereās plenty that donāt look down on others but if you think I may be talking about you I probably am. A lot of the people Iāve talked to about it havenāt even done any kind of reading that would even think of changing their already made up opinion. A huge portion of it comes off as egotistical to me and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
As some have said hydro requires a little bit of knowledge and proper equipment to be successful where soil can be more forgiving. You can even buy pre made soil these days (lots of people donāt measure pH or own a meter) but that doesnāt make one better than the other or easier, it makes them different choices for diff growing styles. Iād probably try organic growing outside to avoid runoff issues but I donāt think it will be the best produce on earth because of it. The best product comes from care and knowledge, not from what style you grow in.
If you think all hydro/salt grown is bland you havenāt smoked enough weed, if you think organic canāt grow dank you havenāt smoked enough weed
(sometimes I dunno why I bother with these convos lmao. Itās like arguing if god exists.) Iāve seen the argument sun grown vs indoor go on for ages too. Seems like every time the so called ānaturalā is put up against so called āsyntheticā a holy war starts and people choose sides.
Edit: what about all the brown sugar for ffj and fpj? Isnāt the sugar industry terrible for the planet?
Add flushing to these 2 arguments and you pretty much have the holy trinity of cannabis cultivation contention (what an alliteration). These 3 dynamics will always perpetuate disagreement.
1000% in agreement
on our local forum we recently lost one of the best and most knowledgeable growers we had over some new tool with 3 years experience spewing toxic shit at someone with 20 years of daily hydroponics experience on a large scale ā¦ its all propaganda meant to sell more shit
Itās ok to have different opinionās people. Do what you do, you donāt have to get so offended by my preferences. I offered my opinion on a thread asking about opinions.
Think what you want, about how I came to hold my opinionās, I got nothing to prove to anyone on here. The hydro Iāve had is bland compared to the best soil grown that Iāve had. Am I allowed to say that here without being slandered as a marketing tool? If your too insecure to be able to handle critical questions about your holy hydro; that says more about you than me.
So before humans all cannabis around the world was the same. And itās only thanks to us humans for ācreatingā all the great diversity?
Umm, yeah
People talk about pests in soil grown cannabis all the time, not sure what sort of conclusion this is. Idk, it just takes a quick browse through the soil section of this forum. Pests are a part of a diverse and healthy ecosystem, good soil growers have a keen understanding of this.
I saw nothing in your articles that said conclusively that all nutrients are exactly the same, no matter the source or concentration level. Nor whether, the presence of other less understood factors such as various conglomerations of trace elements, minerals, micro-nutrients, different microbial populations, the living interactions of the rhizosphere have a significant impact on plant growth. Yes I understand that the plants take up only āinorganicā content from the soil, that must first be processed by the microbes. This does not prove that all sources of the 13 critical nutrientās lead to exactly the same growth responses in all plants.
From one of the articles you posted:
āIn fact, most plants have evolved nutrient uptake mechanisms that are adapted to their native soils and are initiated in an attempt to overcome nutrient limitations. One of the most universal adaptations to nutrient-limited soils is a change in root structure that may increase the overall surface area of the root to increase nutrient acquisition or may increase elongation of the root system to access new nutrient sources.ā
This piece about how local environments and nutrient availability stressors can be overcome by the ability of cannabis to adapt to its environment is what I suggest led to the early cannabis strains diverse evolution back even before humans started selecting and breeding this plant. Check your history, how old is this plant compared to how long have we humans been here?
FYI; Iāve not read a single post in this thread, Iām just offering what the title is asking for, my opinionā¦
Personally Ive grown with both Chemicals & Organics, and everything in betweenā¦
I believe that Cannabis works like this;
All Cannabis is the same, in the same way that humans are the same ā¦ and just like humans, they all follow a general guide of whatās considered to be āHealthy Nutrientsā ā¦
Some people eat Vegetables & some donāt, some love vitamins & some love junk food ect.
The point Iām making is that like Humans, Cannabis plants can accept many ranges of different Nutrient sources that are vast in comparison BUT all end up at the finish line with big fat smelly budsā¦ who is to say what methods works best & what doesnāt, considering the smell/taste/effects we all experience are truly subjective to each individual person consuming it.
When I did Chemicals, I thought it was the Best & I think the same now growing Organics ā¦
The ONLY Real difference, for meā¦ It doesnāt actually matter, my entire post is subjective to me as an individualā¦
Personally, if you like what your doing & you like the results, keep doing it.
Well said buddy couldnāt of stated it much better myself I agree on every point mentioned ! Just started the thread and I find it interesting all the different viewpoints mentioned! What did plants do before the invention of fertilizer? Answer? They grew just fine! No sense in trying fix something that isnāt broke IMO ! Jeff Lowenfels has a great statement in his books that āNo one has ever fertilized the giant sequoias (Redwoods) of Cali ā rings true . Do soils need Re- mineralization Imo ? Absolutely! Farmers are basically soil miners taking out elements from the earth for what ever crop they are growing at that point in time . One point Iād like to drive home is that the plant is ALWAYS in control no matter what the situation whether itās grown in water or soil to me organics is much simpler and cost effective then any other method imo let nature do her thang and all will be fine.
Now that would be a cool experiment ! hell even throw some Brix Analysis into the equation for shits and giggles! Itās proven that higher Brix plants are more mineral dense , taste better and are healthier for you and thatās what I want for my cannabis plants !
Absolute truth there! Gabe Brown is doing this in such a large scale the videos and seminars are teaching others how to do the same ! Repeat and teach others to do the same ! I actually have a close friend who I worked with in the past who now works for Ward laboratories In Kearney Nebraska who has actually done tissue analysis on Gabe browns agriculture crops and his numbers are off the Fucking charts! I agree with an above response that fertilizers are needed to feed the world are complete bullshit ! Organic regenerative farming is changing for the better itās just to bad and sad that farmers were led to believe that Their crops needed such shit sprayed on their farmlands to make a moderate crop that has killed the soil and made it lifeless all the while by putting money in the pockets of people like Monsanto/bayer executives ! Seeing is believing! Itās all about the soil nothing more !
Should make a thread on discussion of so called bro science if there isnāt one already. Thereās one on another forum Iām on and itās pretty decent.
Talks about things like dark period before harvest, planting by moon cycles, structured water, more males/females by doing certain things etcā¦even flushing is on there which is a pretty 2 sided debate.
