So tlt version is a Lambsbread? They seem different than Monkey Puzzles Lambsbread, but that might be my fault. There are some similarities… Its probable I stunted some of the plants somehow… Are they a red pheno?
I don’t mind paying a little more for worked long flowers. As you said, they do take longer and are expensive to reproduce, yield less seed and you have to go thru a lot of plants to finally release a line consisting of mostly desireable plants. Similar to a hybrid in that regard…also, you need more space and the patience of a Saint.
Monkey Puzzles Lambsbread is half the price, sends your package halfway around the world, gives freebies, and the one time Steve slightly mixed up an order he sent the rest of my order Pronto at no cost and gave me even more special freebies. That’s how you run a business imo and that’s why I’ll happily buy from him.again. I just found out Steve might have a red pheno Lambsbread. This is the green one I’m running. (I think?)Can you guess my next purchase from him? Lol.
His prices are right too, I might add. Solid dude.
Hey Upstate MPG lambsbread is definitely different from the TLT version. If you read the descriptions alone you can tell they’re different.
I have both MPG Red lambsbread on the way and I just ordered TLT version today. A year from now I will have beans from both strains, and maybe even a cross between the two. Who knows!
Edit: thinking about it I also have RSC’s Double Jam going and even as a seedling the petioles are very red. Crimson. Food for thought.
Will do bud! Whenever they arrive they’re going to soak probably immediately.
I talked to Steve over email about the red lambsbread specifically. He told me that I should NOT expect any hermies. When he selected the red pheno he said the other genotype was more wild, bigger, and definitely had herm traits. This pheno is supposedly stable. Out of the 10 beans I ordered he said I should expect 4-6 good males to choose from.
One of the big reasons I went for his version before TLT is MPG version stays short. 5-6 ft tall at the most. This pheno throws huge lateral branches and stays short. My tent is probably easier to manage with this version. Either way I’m super stoked for both of them!
@misterbee…Steve is aka Mr Rabbit. He is on IG under Steve Dando/Monkey Puzzle Genetics.
He has some great Cambodian genetics along with some old school strains with some New Zealand flair( his original home). He has mixed in some great Sativas from the land down under. Where the US had mostly Mexican/ central and South American /jamaicain genetics to work with, Aussies and Zealanders( is that a term?) Worked heavily with Southeast Asian cannabis genetics. Some kick ass gear for sure, leaning heavily sativa in many cases, but great Indicas too. Send him a private message on IG, ask for a catalogue and tell him Upstate sent you😁
I’ll be happy to add my efforts at making the line hermie free. This one is certainly vigorous. Hopefully the grow is blessed with success!
Are there separate lines? I thought there were 2 lines…A green one and a red one? Are they 2 phenos or maybe from 2 different vibes collective lines? That would be sweeeeeeet!
When The Freaker’s started, this is why I wanted to be intimately involved. Look what Vibes Collective preserved for everybody. The legendary Lambsbread! I’m not familiar with all the other great stuff they preserved, but I’m sure there is more. If we as a group are responsible for saving something nearly as special as Lambsbread I’ll feel we did the community a service. Here’s the Lambsbread…20220403_182517|375x500
@Upstate - He told me he got his seeds from a landrace collector he trusts. It presented 2 genotypes, green stem and red stem. Out of 30, the red stem phenos were kept and the results are what he’s offering. He also said he worked with Lambsbread varieties since the '90s, and this Red stem Jamaican follows closely to what he referred to as true " Antilles Lambsbread ". I’m excited to see them growing side by side with TLT’s Longtime version as well as RSC’s Double Jam. I want the grilled lamb and kebob smelling one, that’s what I’m going for. I want keepers that really stand out in terms of terps that are unusual and hard to find.
All those TLT look amazing! Hope they start getting real smelly soon.
I don’t believe there is a grilled Lamb kebab pheno lol. Marketing ploy or a hint as to the genetics of this Jamaican. All my reading I’ve never read of Lambsbread being named due to Lamb kebab smells. The closest weed comes to this smell has always been an Afghan/ Pakistan kush terp profile that smells of rotten meat. Never heard of a sativa that smells anything close to this. It’s possible this is a hybrid. Pretty drastic flowering response difference between plants. 5 weeks now.
I’ll have to ask him if he traded out some green phenos then. I bet he did. Makes sense he wouldn’t sell the hermie prone line and I’m quite sure the seeds I got were acquired during a trade. These are all green. No red petioles. Of course it’s possible the red trait is recessive.
I don’t know… there was a backpacking strain hunter video online somewhere (not YT though) in Jamaica and they asked about it. A Jamaican guy pointed to a certain plant out of the 5-6 that were in the scene. He said that one Lambs breath smell different. When you watched the guy smell it and his reaction, I have no doubt that smell is distinct. I distinctly remember it was completely green, and looked like a tropical sativa when I seen the video. He went and smelled the lambsbreath (they called it breath not bread) like 3 times. That isn’t a coincidence imo.
Myself, I believe it exists. There’s a couple of reasons that I got stuck on TLT’s Longtime enough to buy a pack to see.
In their description: “The aromas translate well into flavours, especially the sweet, fruity ones and every now and again you can find definite grilled lamb and bread flavours, which are magnificent and will be smoked far too quickly. Of course the woody old-School flavours are also easy to find. The plants you can find are actually quite varied and you can really find yourself something you really like if you are willing to search but it takes a lot of skill and experience.”
I believe this is a recessive terp profile. Add on top of that that this strain takes close to a year to produce a filial generation. How many people realistically in the entire world have the room to pheno hunt a plant that takes 20+ weeks to flower? This is why I think it’s there. It’s just difficult to find.
Think about it. The world runs on money. Hybrids grow to produce buds that makes lots of money. No commercial establishment working for money is going to go through the painstaking process of selecting for grilled lamb phenos. It’s not a cost effective business decision. The ONLY way we’re going to isolate this pheno is if we work as a community to find it and breed it true, in my opinion.
Due to the sheer size and speed of these beasts, I know I can’t run through 100 of these. I’m thinking the way the description is, I’ll be lucky if I can run 1 every year along the other strains I’ll have going. Space is limited for me at the moment. Maybe some day in the future I can expand to like 100 sq ft but for now I only have about 24 sq ft to work with. I’m sure many of us who want this legendary strain have space constraints as well.
Anyways, sorry to ramble on but I do believe this unicorn exists! I know that if I do find such a female, I will work the line until like F3-4 where’s it’s mostly stable for that grilled lamb smell. I will likely offer the seeds to the public at that point. During the F1-3 phase I would likely need a bunch of testers too, which is where I’m hoping the OG community can come in.
There’s all sorts of different Afghan varieties that can have that smell. @allotment damn you’re making me hungry LOL.
If there is a lamb kebab phenotype I’ll happily have it with some mashed potatoes @crunkyeah yes the grilled lamb phenotype is so rare no one will find it LOL. Jamaicans pronounce bread like breath which is where the confusion comes in with Lambs bread or Lamb’s breath. This is a holy strain to the Jamaican Rastafarian community. The bread of Christ, shepherd of the Lambs = Lambsbread. I’ve also heard the story that it’s called Lamb’s breath because Lambs eat the weed and their breath smells like it. I don’t believe that either and I believe that idea came about again because of the sound of the word Lambsbread when spoken by a Jamaican is Lambsbreath and someone was trying to think of why on Earth they would call it Lambsbreath…A Lamb must have eaten it and then breathed on somebody. Bob Marley himself called it Lambsbread, though the term itself was used to describe the best pot, a gift from God…the Lambs bread.
If all the other land race team descriptions were honest I might believe this grilled lamb business, but I know a whole bunch of descriptions are made up to deceive the public as to how or where the original genetics came from. Ask underground seeds about that one. Or Indian landrace Exchange. Or RSC.
If there is any grilled meat phenotypes in here I would say it comes from Afghani. This one doesn’t seem pure. Acting like a hybrid with two drastically different groups of flowering times. Half of them are faster, half of them are slower
Half of mine are 10 weeks old and about 6 in tall. If they are pure sativa they should be stretching like mad. They began flowering and stopped growing entirely. They are in the same mix the other jlf plants are in and those are growing bigger.
I do hope you find your unicorn, but I think you will come across it quicker if you make it yourself
@Upstate - Do you have any of the material you’ve read on these Jamaican strains? I’d be very interested in reading that material. I have always wondered why the strain was named the way it is. Could it be marketing ploy? Maybe. It seems illogical to me though, from what I know about business alone. You have all kinds of recessive smells in landrace varieties all over. Rotten meat, carrot, chemical… yada yada. Is it really that outlandish to think one could smell like grilled lamb/bread? I don’t think so. Also, is grilled lamb/bread even a desirable terpene profile for 95% of people?
Either way I’m going to hunt as soon as my seeds get here!
As usual no lol. I spent a couple full days online before the thread started, found a Bob Marley interview( a part of one ), read everything i could find. Lots of common sense. Once you are immersed in landraces for a while, you develop a great bullshit meter. If I’m reading and come across really bad info, ( for instance some articles will say Lambsbread flowers 10 weeks lol. )I stop and start another article. Sometimes if their is enough good info mixed with a little bad I’ll let it slide and continue reading. Forums have the best info overall. Most google info is inaccurate. If you read every link ( google)given to you, it will often lead you to other links not seen at first.
No article or thread post from here, IG, or other forums about pure Sativas has ever mentioned grilled meat smells (that i came across in 4+ years hard research)which is why I’m skeptical. That’s an Indica/ hybrid thing ime. Every article I’ve read about Lambsbread, where the whole article had good info, the smells revolve around tropical fruit, citrus and wood. Grilled meat was never mentioned in any of them, good or bad articles. I won’t say tlt jlf can’t have a grilled meat pheno. I’m saying if it does it comes from an Indica in its heritage. You’d have to show me a meat pheno from a pure sativa to change my mind. It may exist, but I’ve Never seen it or heard of it.
But, just in case, I’ve got some mango chutney to go along with that Lamb lol. I’m ready😁
That TLT strain could be from a hybrid crossing or the person who made the seeds allowed some pollen from another to hit it due to sloppiness. In which case of course you would have a mix of hybrid and pure seeds. Hopefully the rest don’t show any indica traits.
Either way it’s a really nice looking grow. You’ve got those landraces looking as healthy as a commercial strain.
I think you might be right about a hybrid, but I’m not sure tlt Jamaican is a hybrid of indica and sativa. The first plants( 2 males) to show sex were somewhere around 3 weeks into flower with 2 ladies right behind.( 1 photo, 5 weeks into flower on march 26th…already 2 or 3 weeks into flower I’d say.)
The description says its a pure tropical landrace sativa.
It also mentions that some earlier plants were selected to make these seeds…
So far 2 short males, 2 short females, all quick to trigger…and 2 more ladies further behind. Hoping for a male long flower.
