(complete) F.B.S.C. 1960 Lambsbread Preservation

[crunkyeah]

@Upstate - Been doin a bit of research and I’m fairly sure TLT’s version has never been labeled as Lambsbread. The term they use is Longtime. After reading a couple articles and posts by the person who is claimed to have given it to TLT it looks like they claim it’s pure Jamaican and that’s it. (I would post more of my findings but I’m not sure how far the ToS will bend when the information comes from other forums)

The interesting thing is they don’t claim Lambsbread “smells” they claim “flavors”. This changed quite a bit on my thoughts towards this plant. It’s not a smell… the smell is supposed to be tropical and sweet. The flavor though can be woody and like grilled lamb… I think this is what makes this plant so interesting. I can smoke a piney bud with a hint of lime and other people I’m smoking it with will taste something entirely different. I am now in belief that the flavor exists… but most people will be unable to identify the smell which corresponds to this specific taste. Only people who have been around and grown the plant who know it, will know it. Everyone else will be unable to identify it (as we’ve never smelled it before) and we won’t know until we get to sample each Jamaican variation to see if it’s there. I feel like when we find it, we may experience the same feeling as when we first got high.

For the rest of the OG crew, I received my 10 TLT Jamaican Longtime seeds in the mail this week, along with 10 Monkey Puzzle Genetics Red Lambsbread. I also couldn’t help myself and purchased a Panama Red x Lambsbread cross from Snowhigh. I will also be attempting to purchase 20 Lambsbread seeds from Hempdepot in the very near future so I will have a good amount of Jamaican material to work with (already have RSC’s Double Jam too). The downside is, my focus is primarily on mutant strains and I simply don’t have enough space to work with the Jamaicans this year, with what I’ve already got going. I will be watching and gleaning as much info as I can from this thread. Upstate is a huge role model for me right now. Plants look lovely and I definitely don’t have that kind of experience. I hope others will join the search for this holy grail of a plant. I will continue to wait patiently until the time is right for me to join the search!

[Ras]

Well, I guess as with most things in this field, more research is needed, but while it comes we can stick to what experience has taught us!
That patch males seems weird hmm maybe you should do a study on that comparing plants and soils and everything, maybe grab a little bit of soil and put a seedling there indoors and try
Also on the monkey puzzles, definitely im grabbimg a pack from them, since this are my last seeds I buy probably in a long time , the tlt as far as I know as @crunkyeah said I think its just a long flowering landrace from jamaica

[Ras]

I mean! Obviously like you say!, Males arent always welcomed, and more if you are looking for bud, but thats an argument ive had a long time, feminized seeds vs regular, imo I think chopping males aint a hard labour, and you can detect it in a time where it hasnt dropped a single bit of pollen, and for the traits regular seeds give I take that work with pleasure

[Ras]

Nice info on the TLT one!! Also damn! I see we are on the same route!, Im getting some double jam f4 fron kwik, some lambsbread from monkey and probably the original double jam from USC, i would love to ‘separate’ the mother genetics from the father and make some kind of blue mountain with just a bit of lambsbread and viceversa

[crunkyeah]

@Ras - I have to agree with you on reg vs fem seed. I’ve grown and enjoyed both. The thing I’ve noticed is the regular seed females seem to be quite a bit more stable than a feminized seed female. I’m sure this is another one of those ‘more research needed’. Of course every fem I’ve tried has been a polyhybrid so there’s that too.

Nice to know there’s a few of us who want to search these legendary genetics! I guess I’m a little clueless here… I thought the USC Double Jam is the beginning of the kwik’s Double Jam F4. Basically the USC version is F1 and the Kwik version has been worked to F4… that’s how I understand it anyways. If you have access to the original F1s that would be awesome to see those! According to the strain’s description for the F1 version the original mother plant was a purple Lambsbread.

It’s for this reason I also had to purchase Snowhigh’s Panama Red x Lambsbread. Even though it’s crossed with Panama Red, the strain description says there should be purple colors in the F1 generation. I don’t know what my obsession is with purple and mutated cannabis strains but I will definitely be looking for any specimens who show purple colors. I don’t expect any but it would be a pleasant surprise… whenever I do get a chance to run them.

[Ras]

I think the reg vs fem talk also should include that by no means feminizing its a natural thing, and we see that when we play with nature we get bad shit, at least thats my point of view, i see regs as more stable, but also on some f’s more genetic variability(obviously), curious thing most old school strains or landraces(im talking 80-90s) its regs and hasnt been made into fems at least known to be the same.
About the double jam thing, the original was USC, they still sell beans but just through e-mail, the kwik one I was talking to the guy and he said it wasn’t the USC double jam, in fact he stated me that since it was adapted in Spain it could have a little bit of NL in it(not bad, easy to spot), i think they just got a lambsbread and a blue mountain and crosses until f4 but who knows, I didnt wanted to bother him more , i hope I get all the seeds around this month, I will be doing it in my thread but gotta keep an eye on this one to look for info, also as soon as I have some seeds of them im eager to trade man, i love it
On the red ones, definitely its a beautiful thing to see as well as mutations, I hope you get em all red/purple!! Also if you like red/purple strains maybe check out siberian ruderalis, maybe not for harvest but as base for crosses or just to make your garden beautiful they are awesome, they get reeeeally deep red and purple colors, I got a male who literally looks like lavender and its not a rare thing

[royal]

@crunkyeah

should be purple colors

I ran El Aleph Double Jam - Blue Mountain x Orange Hill
It had some purple(ish) colored flowers and red and purple trikes !

like this :

[George]

Astonishing!

[crunkyeah]

Shameless plug for my Lagkitan landraces… yes they’re not Jamaican BUT the one in the back on the right is! That’s my Kwik seeds Double Jam F4

Smells very Jamaican. It’s slightly woody and has something special to it. Can’t really say what it’s like but the smell is unlike any plant I’ve ever grown. This seed broke ground on Mar 10, 2022 by the way. It’s quite vigorous!

[Ras]

Those plants are beautiful!! But as you can see it definitely is more on the 50/50 side of the cross, thin blades but not really thin, i guess thats the jamaican blue mountain giving a fatter leave to the lambsbread, also those lagkitan look awesome !!!

[royal]

El Aleph - Double Jam

Colorful and huge outdoors !!!

(not my pics)

[Tejas]

That is something else, freaky, in a good way!

[Upstate]

3 of the females. Adjusted to the soil now and growing side branches. Males are spilling pollen, which I am collecting. Plants are not far enough along to be fertilized yet. Soon.

[crunkyeah]

@Upstate - Of the 3 ladies I think I like the structure of the second lady the most. It looks more tropical to me, even though 1 and 2 are quite similar.

What do they smell like? They look amazing. Cheers!

[Upstate]

No smell except for a stem rub which is on the floral side for the tall ones. There is another shorter female, same phenotype as the tall ones and one more unknown sex of the same phenotype as the third picture. Four boys, four girls, one unknown. I’ll check the stem rub smell of all the plants tonight @crunkyeah. One other little thing. I am talking to a guy about New York Piff heirloom and he says there are meaty phenotypes.

[crunkyeah]

Kwik seeds Double Jam F4:

The stems are fairly red. I’m interested to see what happens when it begins flowering. Smells like paradise. When I rub the stem and smell it, it reminds me of being on a beach, with seagulls and sunshine.

[District_Flora]

I have some Malawi from RSC that I’m probably not going to pop any time soon if you want them.

Also ended up getting some stuff off of Steve, his Cambodian Red seemed like a no brained as well as some of his unlisted work that he was willing to sell me

[Ras]

Maybe those red stems are a trait of the true lambsbread, kwik seeds double jam could be just an f4 from the USC one, since USC used the Bushman lambsbread to do it kinda makes sense comparing it to MPG one

[Upstate]

Did you pick up any Honey?

[Upstate]

Its more purple than red in my case. Pretty.

@Ras

trait of the true lambsbread

Seems to be more than one Lambsbread, which was more a generic term for kind bud in Jamaica and other parts of the Caribbean. For me, the Lambsbread I’ve always wanted to smoke was one Bob Marley himself puffed on and this here is most definitely one of them.