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Throwback Friday today

I grew two packs of TGA’s Vortex (Apollo 13 x Space Queen) in 2010 and though most plants were good but too much SQ influence this one was almost all A13 or even Genius. It didn’t look like the normal Apollo 11 or Apollo 13 kind of plants I have grown and it didn’t really look like a Genius expression but the smell, flavor and effect were spot on. Very lemon candy or lemon marmalade with a hint of a haze like scent when smoked. It had that warm, happy and outgoing effect which is not exactly like most of the other Apollo types where the C99 will shine through. This one was just kind to the mind but also very strong in that effect. It had a real nice smell and flavor but was the only one out of 16 females that really stood out.

I tried to keep this one as a clone but the mother plant and clones would grow too fast with too thin stems and into a sort of a strange bush that was just horrible in structure. The finished product of the clones were never as good as the mother though I gave clones to one growing friend and his flowers were on par with the seed female.

Most of the other females in the two packs were much more C99 and SQ influenced with some of them having a sour and even fuely kind of flavor but the highs were much more dull and “normal” where this female had that unique kind of effect. I really liked it and it’s one of the favorite plants that I ever grew, top ten in effect and it yielded pretty good with over 120 grams from a 20 liter pot gone 70 days to the mark. I know it’s on the long side of the Apollo and Cindy family but this was a bit different as it had a darker green leaf and much more of the Genius structure compared to the normal C99 type of frame most of the A11 got. It also had a kind of unique lemon candy with not so much tropical tart as the A11 Genius expressions often have.

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Throwback Fridays section two

From Michigan I got this which was named Trifecta and it was a cross of (C99 x C88) x (Apollo 13 x Apollo 11) by Tricloud Genetics. I was very surprised when I grew only half a pack and found two really good females. Both of them had elements of Cinderella in them but both were on the Apollo side where I had one I called the 11 phenotype and one I called the 13. the 11 was a real nice tropical candy and lemon flavored female that finished quickly like most of that family used to do. The clones were done in 50-55 days and the seed female was done in 60. The 13 phenotype was a bit longer and had a rawer kind of profile with less sweet and no tropical but more funk and lemon like the old 13. The 13 phenotype looked just like pictures of the old Princess clone when comparing the flower structure and it smoked a lot like a really good C99 where the 11 phenotype were more like the Genius side with a taller frame and more branching. Both were really good smoke.

Trifecta 1 being the 13 expression, 2 being the 11

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Back in 2004 one of my friends grew out some seeds he got from an internet friend that were C99 F2 seeds made by FET who was one of the people behind the seed company Spice Brothers. He found a few C99 expressions that were really nice but this one female we all grew from 2004 until 2009 when the last clone was flowered to my knowledge. Another one of my friends had been growing Mandala’s Hashberry since 2005 and he found one male that he just couldn’t kill and in 2008 he made the cross between the two lines which we would go on to call “Cindy-berry” (C99 x Hashberry). I grew out a lot of those seeds and this is one of the few females that had enough of the mother side (C99) in it to make me keep it. This was one of the most flavorful plants I have ever grown. I could sit and dry toke a rolled joints for minutes as it had this overpowering fruity flavor and smell. Very sweet and fruity profile that reminded me of Lipton’s peach ice tea only much more so than the actual drink. She cured well with that flavor turning into something mixed with the finest hash and dried dates. Not the best effect as it still had some of the mellowness of the Hashberry but enough of the C99 to keep it interesting.

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When buying some seeds from a weed forum site that later crashed (TSD) I was looking for C99 genetics but the best ones I found that year was a C99 hybrid, this one was C99 x Strawberry Diesel and it was really nice. I had two females that I kept growing for more than a year. This female looked like my favorite expression in the Cindy lines but bigger frame and much improved yield with an added strawberry and funky kind of profile. This was also one of those plants that made amazing hash. She was very loud in smell and most things in my house through out that year that wasn’t wood, stone or steel smelt like this plant. I had socks that I washed many times after they’d been in the grow room but I could still get the smell form this plant. It had that kind of diesel type odor but with a rancid strawberry edge to her. After I grew her and her sister during winter and spring I took clones which I put on a wardrobe in my bedroom with a light and that wardrobe stunk worse than the flowering tents at times. Just a very strong smell and taste. The high was nice too. It had a bit more something else than just a C99 effect, not too much body but a bit more bottom than the Cindy on her own. I always think of her as a red plant as he had very deep red hairs and the trim hash was also beautifully red/amber if letting her go 10 weeks.

I had trim from that whole year and though there were other plants in that trim pile, when I made ice hash from it the hash had this very special flavor and high like this female. Very distinct and easy for me to pin-point. Still to this day those 30-40 grams of hash was the best hash I ever made. I made it the old school style without using any screens or bags just ice, water and a bucket which also made the profile of the hash very broad. Damn I can almost still taste it when thinking about it…

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The sister (C99 x Strawberry Diesel) looked to be more on the SD side but she smoked and tasted more like a C99. Also a very nice plant but with smaller resin heads and slightly different profile. She was one of the most beautiful plants when growing and made longer flowers than her sister and she was done in 9 weeks which was about a week earlier than the first one.

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That’s all really interesting to me. I missed smoking the known strains from the old days. I was smoking whatever pot I could find to buy since I traveled and moved a lot with my job. I may have smoked everything back then but no name attached to it once it got to the street level. Plus, I don’t remember real details from the 80’s.

I never had any history with Cindy but have some Joey Weed C99 female seeds a friend made. I’m going to grow a coupe this summer. My first one never popped. I had one last year at a month old or so and a chicken plucked it out of the pot and I lost it. Just now getting back to it.

I’m looking forward to it but expect I’ll only get a one dimensional example of it with these. maybe not.

That Trifecta is a bodacious bud. They all look nice. At 65 years old, I’m only now getting a chance to dabble in lots of the genetics. With so many damn strains now, I’m more focused on some of the older classics so I can get an idea of them before it’s too late… better late than never!

Thanks for all of the detailed story. I love the history. I was smoking since '71 but by '75 I was going in the Navy (had lots of Thai Stick, I was in Bremerton Wash, and we had a crew mate from LA that always came through with the TS before we went to sea…lol) and after I moved to Montana when I got out, I got a job moving all over the place and stayed home based in Mont. I smoked a lot of good pot there in the 80’s and likely was getting Chem, NL, and others from that day but we didn’t have any name to attach to it. I remember smoking pot more than a few times up there that was far better than anything I ever smoked so no telling what it was.

I have a few g13/hp and Ortega starting now. Never had them straight up. I’ll get there one day… or have a blast trying! peace

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I remember when I was young and buying hash off the streets. We usually got the lower grade Moroccan and that was what most people sold as the “standard”. If we were lucky we got some star hash which was a bit better than the standard hash. It was stamped with something that looked like the star of David why some older people called it jewish hash or super moroccan. Dried buds were kind of rare at one point where I grew up and that was part of the lure growing your own. That’s why me and most of my friends started to anyways, to get the high grade and to get the different flavors of flower rather than hash.

There were no scene where I grew up. Either you bought the standard or jewish hash from some older guy who knew a guy who knew a guy. It was kind of hard work and a lot of waiting. Still remember the few times we got weed instead of hash. We were so happy about it but most people would call it either Northern Lights or White Widow. This was early-mid 90s and both those names were the stuff people would put on “good weed” to sell it. It wasn’t always NL or WW at all but most people knew those names. It’s like Skunk to the UK or Kush to California I guess at some time.

The first seeds I got came from Holland. A few obscure little tobacco shops would have odd magazines like High Times and we would get one between maybe five or six of us. Hunkering over the magazine like it was a porno were these five or six guys in a boys room all looking at the back-cover where the adds for the seed companies were. In the mid 90s I remember that Greenhouse was one of those I liked. We had to put money into an envelope and send it off to Holland then hope, pray and wait for some seeds to come with returning mail which could take weeks back then. When you found something that worked like for me most of the Sensi and Greenhouse things worked well in those days. I saw the Skunk#1, Super Skunk, NL5 x Skunk#1 and later Super Silver Haze with Great White Shark from Greenhouse. Silver Pearl, Silver Haze and Jack Herer from Sensi. Those were some good days. Other friends tried other seed companies and we would trade. Serious Seeds were usually good with their AK47, Bubblegum and later the White Russian which I liked more than the AK. I remember one friend went with Dutch Passion so I got to see some of their stuff through his grows and trading some seeds with him. Another bought some of TH Seeds early offerings so I got to see their version of Bubblegum and also the SAGE which was good if you picked a good one.

C99 came to me via one of those friends I had been trading with during the early years. I had done my military service and not been growing or around growing as much for about a year and came back home at the end of 1999. My friend showed me these new seeds he bought off a website in Canada called Heavens Stairway. I was blown away as before I had gone to places like Amsterdam and Christiania to get both cannabis and seeds as well as ordering from the old catalogues but I didn’t trust the internet at all back in those days. He showed me stuff from companies I had never heard of though he had grown and smoked the same stuff I had earlier and he said this was good stuff. He had ordered some Spice of Life where Sweet Tooth, Shishkaberry and Adventure Mix were some of the packs I remember off the top of my head. He also had packs from this american company called Brothers Grimm and it was C99.

From getting the HS site address from my friend I went online and soon found Cannabis World and later Overgrow where a lot of the newer companies with some of the older ones were posting information and people were talking about different types of seeds. It really was a time of change for me and I tried to get to know everything I could about this new thing my buddy was growing, Cinderella 99.

Since this time I have grown a lot of different versions of C99. I saw and grew that first released which were P94, the third backcross to the Princess female. This was the whole reason it was called “Cubing” as the first backcross is bx1, the second is the squared version bx2 and the third would be the cubed version bx3. It makes sense when looking at it like this. I know the new MrSoul says that the original C99 was P97 or the 4th backcross to Princess but that is not how I remember it. I still have some of those old Cannabis World quotes from the old MrSoul and Sly.

I tried a lot of other peoples versions of C99 as in 2001/02 the second release of C99 came out and those were the 4th backcross. MrSoul even stated this himself that he didn’t get the same results as with the 3rd backcross and he was going back to releasing the P94 version but that never happened. In 2002 he and his first side-kick Sly they were gone from CW and soon after most of the Brothers Grimm offerings were sold out. This is where another friend found FET who would go on to release a lot of BG lines like C99, Apollo 11 etc. making his own versions from the BG seeds. Spice Brothers was the name of the company. I also grew Joey Weed’s version of C99 and AK47 x C99 as well as a buddy of mine grew the Blueberry x C99. His version was pretty good. It was more stable in expression than FET’s version but FET had a special phenotype that I saw and loved in the original release that I didn’t see in Joey’s version.

I later grew Mosca Negra’s version of C99 BX-1 as he called it (there was something called F1 as well from Mosca but I never grew that one). This was a nice representation but again it didn’t have that special phenotype I was looking for. From 2004 until 2009 that special one we found in FET’s version of C99 was cloned and grown by many of my friends and me. I wanted to find it in more seeds so in case we lost it I could germinate some seeds and find it. In 2013 I got some seeds from a friend in america. He sent a lot of his own crosses that I grew but he also sent me five seeds in a zip that had just “C99” written on the bag. I instantly asked him what this was and he told me it was a version of C99 from an english seed maker called Old Timer1. I got three of the seeds to germinate and they were all that special phenotype I had been looking for.

Here’s a picture of one of the females. I had two females and one male that regret everyday not using the pollen from. I grew the females for a few cycles before life had me have a short break in growing and none of my friends that I gave the clone to kept it so I could get it back.

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Damn, that’s a cool bunch of history. I can see why you’re still sick about it today. It looks great.

I have a good many of these fems of JW C99 that I’m going to try. Is there a good version of C99 around anymore? I’d like to think I can get an idea of what it was like. That’s a lot of water under the bridge since then, though.

Thanks for all of the info! I love it. I was pretty well connected back then but growing was really kept secret. I just never got that connection in the 80’s.

I think it’s really cool to read all of these stories of things that were actually going on all around me at the time but I’m only just now geting the details on much of it. lol.

peace bro

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I was getting thai sticks in the 90s, they were supposedly soaked in hash oil and cured in a jar or however they make em, it was small dense nugs tied with thread to bamboo. They were soaked and dried in hash oil as well, these things got you real good. Wish I could still get some of those!

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I thought that too, but after growing out the Purple I can say that the buds literally are soaked in oil when chopped and went nearly black. Its 4 weeks into cure and still at 70% RU and tasting more refined and like the Thai stick of early 80’s every day. I did read that they cured the Thai stick in canisters buried for two months. I have had the pleasure of getting both the nuggets tied to the stick and the canna cigar style that were wrapped in pressed fan leafs, pull out the stick and smoke it for 3 hours with a group…exactly why I’m growing out some of the few strains we knew back then. Most of it was brick Mexicans and SA strains that we had local names like mud Bud, Michigan Red Bud, Creeper Weed, Wheelchair Weed, Christmas tree weed. Then the Skunk1, NL, Haze started coming down the pipe with names attached.

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Thanks @GMan there’s still a bunch of versions out there both commercial and private. I have not tried the new Brothers Grimm and I am sure I won’t do that. Some old Joey Weed C99 would probably be better like the ones you have. Grow them and see what you find. When I tried his, think it was around 2005-06 but I can’t remember exactly, it was good. Some of his other ones were really good too like the C99 x A11 and his C99 x AK47.

My circle of friends was pretty small and we told no one about what we were doing. The only trading that went on would be between us and our close friends. We didn’t even tell other people we smoked weed let alone grew it.

All the best bro!

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That sounds fantastic with hash oil soaked thai sticks but it also sounds like you must have found some really special dealers. To make hash oil from thai weed and then dip sticks of dried flowers in it on any commercial scale would be a big operation indeed. Have you made hash oil? I would think they didn’t do that on any large scale but I wasn’t there in the 70s and 80s. I have made oil though and it takes a lot of flowers to make oil. It takes a lot of oil to soak or treat sticks with it so it would probably be pretty rare and very expensive. How did they smoke? Oil doesn’t burn that well.

I just recently had a healthy argument with some over “opium dipped” thai sticks where I don’t see how they could make them in any large capacity but again, I am more curious how they did it rather than argue if it ever happened. I have mixed opium and both hash and weed, it is doable but it is not a very efficient way to smoke either to be honest. Hash oil seems to be a better thing to lace weed with yet I would much rather smoke them separately and in different ways.

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I would be more inclined to believe that the post harvest process like the one you describe would make for the difference people witness about seeing when it comes to thai sticks. But I never saw thai sticks in my life yet I have lived in the area (modern time) and I have smoked weed since the early 90s. I have only seen it in pictures so I am curious. I would think that there are some here in south east asia. This country or a neighboring, that have a different curing process like you describe which also make the weed stay fresher and stickier for a longer time. This climate here in Thailand is not very good for keeping anything fresh, both seeds and weed goes bad quickly if you’re not careful.

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I always played around with my plants and with the C99 x Strawberry Diesel my favorite plant was a plant I almost killed when it was just a wee seedling. It was so beautiful and kind of spoke to me so I was not that happy when it showed to be a male. It was the latest out of one and a half pack of seeds to show sex and it was male. I kept it around a bit too long just outside the tent as I couldn’t bring myself to kill it. But the day came when I knew that if I kept it a day longer I would be left with a very seeded crop of flowers come harvest. Naturally, being the stupid stoner I have always been, I went into the room with the tent open and lifted the male up. Realized that “damn I could get pollen all over the females if don’t turn the fan off”. There was a big fan just behind me and the plant and in front of all the flowering females. So I put the male plant down. A bit too hard. I could see a very small cloud of pollen just blow in over the plants as I mentally smacked my face realizing just how stupid I was.

I grew the plants out and luckily there were not more than about 40 seeds and all of them on the two plants standing in front of all the others which just happened to be the two sisters of the C99 x Strawberry Diesel male. So I got a few seeds and I grew a few of them out. This is one of the female C99 x SD that came from those seeds and the male a week or two before I had him accidentally drop some pollen.

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But I am getting off my own topic here. It was about Thai stuff right… this first picture is a top down on some locally rolled which is not rolled in papers like we are used to in the west but with some “Bai jaak” which is what the locals use to roll their homegrown tobacco in. it’s not the best way for me to consume cannabis as it has no glue and so you have to constantly keep rolling the little joint in your mouth or it will separate.

Some grounded up brown type of thai weed that was really good. I got the exact same thing over and over for more than one year at this one place I was living at. There was a local restaurant that also sold some nice weed just a few minutes from my house and I would be there a few times a week.

A plant I had in my garden, it really smelt nice of lemons and lime which is a pretty common smell from fresh growing plants here. It didn’t smoke like lemons but it sure had that fresh citrus aroma growing.

Last christmas I spent all of christmas day and boxing day trimming this one plant. It took forever as it was a lot of stem and leafs to the small amount of flowers but it was really sticky and I got some nice trim hash to smoke along with the nice, aged plum flavored weed.

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I have had black tar opium also and if you ever had a ball of it you would know without thinning or cutting it down with a solvent you are not brushing or dipping it on anything you want to handle with your bare hands. Besides being like fly paper you would probably OD unless you were a junkie to begin with.

We used to call the brown loose Thai and it was ground like tobacco.
There was a thread that I read about fermenting that seems like a similar process and takes 2 months, wish I had bookmarked it.

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Plum flavor is a very good description. The early cure taste like unripened fruit at a month Cure it’s just smoothing out with a brain dart on the second hit and more euphoric than racy buz with a nice float back to earth.

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They didn’t smoke upon first lighting, more sizzles then once you made it through the oil you could get a cherry in the bowl… They were made by some oldschool hippies I met, and I got a mason jar full for a good price. They get you super stoned and quite a bit of lethargy with it. But they were made and looked like the regular Thai sticks just really sticky… :laughing:

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And you light away from your mouth unless you wanna suck FIRE literally, used to use a plumbers torch. once lit you have to cut off the cherry if you want to put it out…actually just opened a fragrant bubble pack, big bindle of Mango Thai Pollen from Diggy…smells sooo good like pinapple although my nose and eyes are running like faucets…chit gotta go put this in the garage fridge!!

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I messed my addy up to Diggy for that pollen. He said maybe he can get it going to me again. Hoping so.

I really feel like the thai stick was done through a COB like curing process. The opium and hash oil myths were around in the 70’s. But it made no sense to spend that kind of money to make bud with opium covering it.

I think they must have cured them cob style in those packets (maybe a 1/4 or 1/2 pound in wax paper) and then they dried and cured further on the trip to the US on ships.

That’s what the bud seemed like to me. It wasn’t oiled up, and it wasn’t dipped in opium (you would know it for real if it was), it just seemed like some strange bud wrapped around a stick and you could tell it had cured on it somehow. It was a beautiful chocolate brown color with specks of other colors. It was literally about a two hit pot. The flavor was super rich, and full of dark ripe tobacco, chocolate, rotten fruit… I can’t really describe it other than it had a taste that was the same every time you got it and nothing like anything else on the market then or even anytime since.

Two hits would fill and expand in your lungs and get you plenty fucked up. It was known as much for the flavor as the high though. It was the whole package.

I think it was a cob type of curing in bricks of it. That’s what the texture and consistency would make me think of. It wasn’t oily at all. Just gooey a little from the cure. It had a taste that anyone who had it would tell you that nothing else close to it has been around since.

i mmust be high… type too much

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