My keeper from of the Zang x Afpak line is about to get released into the wild. The mom is almost ready for clones and I am gonna share it soon. Hopefully it will get circulated around enough and people here on OG will get a chance to run it.
It has a comfortable relaxing body effect but it’s not couchy or too apathetic…Sits in the 50/50 hybrid zone with the Vietnam Black head trip on top of the Pakistani chill effect. Loud floral skunk terps and chunky nug structure on strong stems with a 63 day finish.
As far as the Afpak seeds go I already have a bunch of Afpak beans in the vault. I appreciate the offer though. The afpak is like X18 on steroids with a dash of RKS for good measure. It’s super easy to grow and a good breeding line. Lots of people slept on the afpak crosses for sure.
In general I agree, but in this case we have documented communication, with Doc, giving his blessing specifically for Overgrow to do repro runs.
If he said yes, I say it’s fair game.
Of the bandaid or just asking in general
He’s a nice enough guy he’d say yes doesn’t mean it should be done with what could be considered his flagship draw
I’ve known end interacted with docD on and off for a little over a decade
I have no doubt he said sure about you guys doing repros
But just because something can be done doesn’t mean it should be in regards to the bandaid
I see what you’re saying, and I don’t agree; if I ask for someone’s consent, and they expressly provide it, I’m going to act on that. Everything else is just a story in your head. I just don’t understand why you would doubt Docs sincerity when he enthusiastically supports reproductions.
F2’s are never going to significantly reduce demand for F1 stock from the breeder.
I respect your position, and moral code even if I think it’s misplaced in this instance.
Certainly nobody would fault you for being a conscientious objector to that seed run!
Hello HeadyBear, did Doc-d sign-off on a seed increase for the Bandaid Haze specifically? As well, repo (reproduction) can mean different things to different folk.
I do not know if Docd considers the Bandaid Haze (if that is what is being considered) as a current line and whether any F increases would interfere with his ability to sell seeds from that line. He should be able to specifically agree to the Bandaid Haze or clarify that it is being retired.
This idea differs from retired lines, doing crosses, et al.
No one can prevent anyone from doing increases on current lines but it will run into difficulties if within OG without an explicit sign-off. There is a variety of rationale behind this. You can view some of the past discussions regarding similar concerns for Bodhi. In fact, if you haven’t already, a discussion response from Bodhi provides a decent baseline for what is considered being respectful to breeder efforts and livelihoods while treating genetics as being free, generally. Here:
If you can provide additional insight here before expending the effort, it would be appreciated and will help to avoid issues.
Hey @Northern_Loki
I’m secondhand info here; the original communication with Doc that I’m referencing was done by @highminwin , so he can speak to exactly what was said.
I believe the language was “it warms my heart when people reproduce or hybridized my lines”, and it was in the context of this specific forum doing reproduction.
I’m sure that further communication could/should happen if BAH was selected for a project.
I don’t have a dog in this race, as I won’t be a part of the seed run; I just felt it was important to be clear that some communication with Doc has happened around breeding with his lines.
i just sent doc d another email to clarify his feelings on us repro’ing his bandaid haze line. i’ll report back if/when i hear from him. of course i have no desire to take from doc d’s ability to support himself, so if he says he would rather us not repro the bandaid haze, i will absolutely respect that. i’m not trying to ruffle any feathers here… just trying to get some good seeds to good people.
I think the bottom line here is overgrow members should, I believe, reproduce or increase seeds that doc d isn’t actively selling or going to remake. Even if he approves it, that doesn’t mean we SHOULD.
Of course, this is just my opinion and anybody can disagree. Doc d probably would be ok with it. I’m just trying to say we should stay classy and pick something that isnt being sold or remade.
Common courtesy is to not release F2’s of a strain someone is currently selling F1’s of.
Vaults get lost/seized/burnt, so its a godsend when someone can send you F2’s of what you just lost…look at DJ Short getting back f-gens of his lines he lost his parents of.
That doesn’t mean you cant F2 them - just, put em in the fridge for a few years. Or, at least keep em in there til you get express permission from the breeder himself.
Every seed is a piece of magic, so it can help the breeder to pop beans and hold onto - even back up with a buddy - keeper clones. But, be sure to keep the circle small, and keep the breeder in that circle.