A hierarchical organizational structure is directly analogious to a tree full of monkeys.
The monkey at the very top looks down and sees all those monkeys looking up - to him…
and the monkey at the vary bottom sees a tree full of ass holes 
Perspective 
Cheers
G
And shit rolling down the tree…
I’m a mathematically handicapped engineer.
On the job training is the best imo. You can only learn so much in school. Most companies train you in the way they do things anyway.
My favorite person in the world was my grandfather who didn’t get past 3rd grade. He was the only boy of 5 kids and had to get to work at that age. Can you imagine.
AAS in Horticulture/Landscape Development
back in 1977 when I was working for New York Sate Department of Corrections
now I am a Database engineer,/Network engineer
got to go where the money is
Dequilo
after high school enlisted, military training and education and college certificates and assorted coarses no degrees
Went to prestigious prep school, dropped out at 16 1/2, had GED before 17, joined U.S.M.C at 18 moved to Hawaii at 22, became licensed captain at 25, community college… couple credits short of degree, joined an apprenticed trade at 29
Went to a technical high school for CAD/drafting. Did college for half a year until I realized I had no means of paying. Dad relapsed on heroin my last year of high school and stole and borrowed so much money on the house. That was 16 years ago and my family still hasnt recovered. This was in the days of housing skyrocketing so banks were more than happy to sell you your equity. My parents made OK money but were complete fuck ups with it which meant I couldnt qualify for loans since back then you could pay taxes as an independent but had to use your parent income for loans. Also their credit was shot from overextending to feed my fathers addiction. I thought if I went anyways extended family would lend a hand since I was a really good student.
So that is why i only have a trade school degree.
But ill have my house paid off when im 42 and earn a really good pay still doing what I learned in trade school to a certain extent. I worked for an engineer doing CAD work right after dropping out of college. Then got a gig being the operation managers assistant at a large steel fabricator and erector and for the past 9 years as a cost estimator for a mechanical contractor.
I live below my means and very frugal.
So in a way my parents had a lesson to teach me in their fuck ups.
Learning from your own mistakes = experience
Learning from others’ mistakes = wisdom 
Cheers
G
Got kicked out of St. Ignatius College Prep so I went to Oak Park River Forest HS. which was on the top 10 HS list in the nation back then…parents wanted to send me to college but I said no, I wanted to do my own thing. Work in construction, room service at the Palmer House, furniture mover…Finally got a job as a runner at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and moved up the ladder from there also worked at the Chicago Board of Trade…just a high school education but my life has been and still is great…retired at the age of 45 and I’m pushing 60 now.
Dropped out in grade 10. One of the better decisions I’ve ever made.I’m a autodidact and curious so it worked out well for me.
The thing about public government education is that it seems to drag everyone down to the same level and teaches you what to think instead of how to think. Waste of time.
One other factor in my opinion…it’s not what you know in life, it’s who you know in life…That’s how its been throughout my lifetime. Hell, there have been plenty of people out there who have a higher education level than me and they’re stuck in a crappy ass job that they don’t enjoy. That’s a fact, I have met a lot of people in that situation.
I guess everyone’s experience is different. I’ve gotten thru life with a fair amount of success based entirely on what I know, not who I know. But, I’m lucky because I taught myself computer programming as a teen in the 80s. On the other hand, I know people who have skated thru life on their connections. Overall, there is no substitute for either hard work (plus some luck) or being born rich.
I’ve been there, don’t that for years my friend.
Well let’s see, I made it through grade 9 and dropped out in the first month of grade 10 to go through a 2 year period of living on the street as one of the many homeless. It was just before my 16th birthday. Fast forward to 17 and settled in with my current wife and our 2 babies. Went back and got my High School diploma a few years after that. Ran a business providing moving crews and security for antique shows. Broke my back in my early 20’s so did some computer studies at a local college. Been doing IT support for over 20 years now which is constant study.
That is one hell of a tattoo. LOL
I used to be amazed and laughed at people I met that allegedly had an “education” or a “degree” working on the assembly line because they were desperate and needed a REAL Jay Oh Bee. Folks with Bachelors and Masters and my favorite was some hard core left wing dude with a masters in english lit. Man that dude was a bent out of this world mad that he felt he deserved a 6 figure job because he thought he was better than everyone. I still see him and he finally had enough time to move to days but he is still just a line worker because he cant do anything more to move up the chain into any other of many job upgrades here and we have 5000 people here. And Im near a Big 10 campus. Myself Im in a manufacturing tech field dealing with PLC’s, robotics, CNC’s etc. and while not rich I make over 100K a year plus all the perks. In the midwest thats a pretty good gig. I see more kids and or idiots (sometimes the same thing) that would not consider stooping to do ANY kind of job that may require washing your hands after your done. I dont work hard physically but dont sit on my ass all day either. I see people who would work for 40K a year so long as they had a desk, wore a nice shirt and had a business card that says they are the assistant manager of the dental floss sales division instead of over double that for what I do.
THIS is why when I hear the woke bunch or millennials or whatever their equivalent is whine how smart they are because they have a degree I just smile. Too funny.
Disagree respectfully. Who you know can and does obviously help but many of us dont know the right connections but still succeed in what we chase. Many with alleged “higher educations” are a joke along with their alleged “higher education”.
I have a relative who lives in Valpo and is a big time trader on that place. You probably may have met him. He is about 80 now and started out as a teacher in Kokomo. Multimillionaire and self made.
I get it and I totally agree…anyone/everyone can be successful with hard work…I wasn’t wasn’t given a great job…I got my foot in the door as a runner on the trading floor and from there with hard work I worked my way up the ladder. In the financial world if your ass is lazy and not working hard your ass is worthless/useless and no broker/brokerage firm will want you.
I chimed in on this thread because of the title…Education Level…my education level is just a high school diploma.
