I agree 100%
Problem is…even on a weed site we don’t stand together.
I feel that is the reason current cannabis legaization is so messed up.
You have a point… 
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That’s the problem I’m getting at here
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People are pretty uniformly in favor of decriminalization. Its how it is (or isnt) regulated where hairs get split.
I’m not naive enough to believe my values will come to be reality, but I will never give up on the pursuit.
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i’m sorry if i sounded disrespectful, that was not my intention at all. i agree with your statement here.
or anything else. you are allowed to do what they want you to do. if you figure out something that disrupts the status quo, they will put a stop to it. now all of this is relative of course, some places may be way more tolerant than others, but it all boils down to they can do whatever they want. the only way to stop them is to band together and they know it so they manufacture division and make damned sure it stays there. they have done an excellent job in the us lately.
I didn’t take it that way, I just wanted to clarify I’m not trying to argue (because internet)
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on this site i always default to not taking offense or assuming ill will. i love this place because of it, even if i do get a little persnickety sometimes. i’m old and get cranky.
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I didn’t say they were born of virgins. I said they had their shit together regarding the government they created.
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You make some good points.
You are issued a permit and are permitted to do things.
Well said.
They were not perfect by a long shot.
Was John Hancock accused of smuggling?
His business became a political flashpoint in 1768, when British customs officials seized one of his sloops, the Liberty. The customs agents accused Hancock of smuggling and, after a highly publicized trial, the charges were dropped without explanation, likely due to lack of evidence.
I didn’t know that he was accused of smuggling. An accusation like that could ruin someone’s political career. Though sometimes it seems to have the opposite effect, at least in the polls.
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i believe i also said that some were good, albeit a few. most of them were just as shady as any politicians of their day.
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When Benjamin Franklin was asked after signing the Constitution if they had created a monarchy or a republic, Franklin replied: “A republic, if you can keep it.”
I think ol’ Ben was right…
The news always talks of us as a democracy, this puzzles me as I know we started out as a republic… 
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i thought it was a representative republic, technically.
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From 1966 this will explain things better.
Please watch closely and pay careful attention!
“A constitutional republic, not a democracy. The ideal of democracy is universal equality, the ideal of a constitutional republic is individual liberty. A democracy always degenerates into a dictatorship which promises government guaranteed equality and security, but it delivers nothing but poverty…”
From the constitution…
Section 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
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Reading “A People’s History” by Howard Zinn paints an even clearer picture.
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What is missing from this thread is nuance and context. Sure you can say statements without giving the full picture but that is deceitful.
We live in a federal constitutional republic which has democratic ideals
In practice this has been in place not for many but only those deemed worthy of it. This is not what we are talking about and is scarecrowish.
Heres an entire course on american civics
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I honestly can not tell from your statement if you are agreeing or disagreeing here.
Maybe you could clarify that for us?
Here is some context for ya.
A quote from your link…
federal activity must also follow from the Constitution or it too would be illegal.
Do you feel the federal govt. today is guilty of illegal activity?
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My views have nothing to do with this. I was clarifying all of these arguments about what kind of government we are. Basic civics stuff.
Such a loaded diversionary question. Go ask sitting bull that.
Edited for clarity.
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It was a question nothing more, why do folks have to read in shit that was not intended.
I will answer the loaded diversionary question for ya here.
If the govt’s action goes against the constitution that act is an illeagal act.
The answer is yes the govt is guilty of illegal activity.
It was a simple question with a very simple answer, no need to avoid it…LOL
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If 70%+++ or so of people want cannabis to be legalized and the federal government doesn’t do anything about that for another 10 years… It doesn’t seem very republican or democratic.
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