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“we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender”
Winston S. Churchill
I’ve always loved that speech 
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Here in the States, there are place where hemp was grown, and there are hemp plants everywhere. Even law enforcement there admits getting rid of it would be impossible. Once hemp becomes a legitimate crop elsewhere in the USA, it’s going to spread out from the fields, and no one will be able to stop it, or even care after a while. Once people become desensitized to the presence of cannabis, the laws against it will become irrelevant. Cops will eventually get tired of the dozens of calls they get every day that turn out to be nothing more than feral patches. Many will likely stop responding to them at all.
The truth is cannabis legalization here in the States is at or near critical mass (the tipping point, the point of no return); legalization is inevitable. The government (at all echelons) can either sail on the changing tide or be drowned by it. I don’t care which one they choose, as long as they leave me the hell alone.
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kinda like cudzu
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I like Kennedy’s speech better.
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ask not what your country can grow for you ask what you can Grow for your country or those who cant grow 
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The way they eliminate competition is by having enough cash or credit to build out the facilities to out produce the little guys. But that may not work this time because many of the old growers of the “Emerald Triangle” were 60’s hippie escapees from the cities who bought acreage in these rural areas when they were still very cheap. Of course, the commercial growers are in greenhouses, growing mass producing the easiest weed to grow, trim, resist P.M. and bud rot hydroponically producing 3 crops a year of commercial grade pot. (Think, hydroponic tomatoes.) The orgnaic outdoor farmer with land “could” compete with higher quality pot, but the legal states see weed as their golden Tax goose andput so many fees and taxes to wipe out most, if not all profit from their operations giving the commercial companies producing more, faster and cheaper a huge advantage.
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hey im noy a commercial grower and prolly never will be but im figuring a 10x12 grow room in my house will give me an income to satisfy and im thinking they aint gonna be kickin my door in as long as im not advertising plus im thinking a small smoke shop would be a great cover and a way in the future to creata quite a clientel base
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We’ve outwitted the government for 60 years, and we can outwit them for another 60. As I’ve said before, laws are no more effective than those tasked with enforcing them. That being said, there is a lot of anti-government sentiment anymore. I can’t speak for other parts of the country, but there is a reason Southerners were called “Rebels.” Cannabis may be subject to all manner of other laws (assuming it becomes outright legal here) or remain illegal, BUT it will be just as common. I’ll put it this way: I’ve been told that if I ever get caught with weed on me, just to say it’s (perfectly legal) hemp flower…by a cop, no less. What laws imply is just as significant as what it actually says.
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yeppers and now that i have a med card i can carry it and they cant do shit im not stooopid enuf to drive DUI i may even start my own delivery service 
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We got traded from the shadowed cartels to the suite and tie cartels.
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Once it’s legal people will go with what they think is good/convenient. There are lots of tobacco smokers but most don’t grow their own small tobacco patch, but they could (it’s too much trouble). If your into it you can buy from a small tobacco farm. Same with beer. There is Budweiser, small local craft breweries, and home brewers. They won’t need to make homegrow illegal. When things get rolling and people can get “good quality” product cheap and easy most people aren’t going to bother. Home growing like home brewing will be a niche thing. I’m sure these exact same conversations were happening when alcohol prohibition was lifted.
This actually is kinda disheartening. It will be capitalism and apathy that will kill the homegrower.
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I will have to disagee stongly!
They are trying right now, big cannabis in michigan sends their worker down to the capital to protest against care giveres and home growers.
They pay them to protest.
This is currenlty active in my state.
I forgot who said it would be a race to the bottom…
That is whats going on here.
The fight for market share is fierce.
Only the biggest companies will survive this.
companies like Bell tire are already selling some of their stores.
They sell ounces for $75 as someone said “Good quality”
I have heard stores are operating at a loss in hopes of surviving.
Every single dollar is being fought over right now.
They will snitch each other out if you are the competition.
They will tell lies about your store, it is really getting cut throat.
The point is they want market share.
What will cut into their market share after the price wars.
Home growers AKA the black market.
As on member here stated…
They are after the black market hard, no mercy.
Take note of that when home grows become the black market again.
Yep and those that buy from the stores will not be supporting home growing.
they already do not, home growers are just scummy drug dealers and they want no part of that.
That is what is real today…
I don’t see how federal legaization is going to help keep home growers from being seen as black market drug dealers.
Good point.
I wonder how much the internal revenue service will charge you for your untaxed cannabis.
I really feel the IRS will want as many tax dollars as they can get their greedy little hands on.
Home growing is not currently taxable.
I do not feel they will pass up this money, they will funnel it all into one place.
Commercial cannabis.
BTW a big bag of cannabis is worth waay more than a big bottle of booze on the average day anyhow.
Summary:
It is big money to both commercial cannabis and the IRS.
Why would they want to let us take money right outta their hands.
From what I know of the IRS they will squeeze out your last dollar and not even care what happens to you.
I feel they will do the same with home growing cannabis, why would they not?
Corporate cannabis is just as bad as the IRS they will squeeze out everyone to gain market share at any expense, whatever it takes.
I feel they will do the same with home gowing cannabis, why would they not?
This is my personal opinion, I do not wish to force it upon anyone.
But one would do well to at least think along those lines.
Ask yourself…could this sorta thing really happen?
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One could only hope brother man!
Not a bad model from what I remember.
What are the plant counts for home growers there?
Do you know the current market price for good weed at the store?
I heard you guys were flooded with weed way before we were.
Currently $75-$100 buys you what is called good weed.
I call that kinda weed, not bad, but not really good.
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Poodle you know whats up! 
Capital cronyism at its best…LOL
I live in Detroit, the home of the worlds finest Capital cronyism.
They will do anything and everything for the $$$$$$$$$$$
This is not really about cannabis…it is more about the money it brings.
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Wait a few more years. Cannabis is only a high value crop because it was illegal and now “gray” market. The reason everything is contentious is because people are trying to get in and make their money before the fed makes it legal. After that interstate commerce will take care of the rest.
This is assuming it gets descheduled. I think if they make it schedule 2 or something then the states will just keep doing what they are doing and yea you are right…it’s going to be a state by state battle.
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I will hold my hopes high for this…
So if in fact prices fall lower and lower and home growers are not being hassled then then things really sound really good for legalization.
But we must consider the concept of price fixing.
This we know is often practiced by the biggest of business.
Could price fixing play a part in future cannabis?
They are talking about that in my state right now.
The big companies are all for it.
As I said I will hold my hopes high, while remaining skeptical at the same time.
All I know is that Biden pardoning people with federal possession convictions amounts to like 6000 people. No one goes to federal prison for possession convictions… It’s nonsense. It releases no one from prison. Don’t be deceived by their antics.
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Cigarettes are twenty bucks a pack in New York City, gov is happy to make stuff expensive to fund their passion projects or “reduce harm” if we let them.
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