Growing out the seeds that were gifted to me

All my seed grows are doing great.

My Durbans from @Jellypowered are doing great. The shorter one is growing faster than the tall one at the moment. My last height measurement was 4 days ago. The short Durban was 17" tall on the 19th and the tall one was 40" even. Today, the 23rd, 4 days later, the shorter one is 26.5 inches (9.5" in 4 days) and the tall one is 45", only 5" in the same 4 days. The short one is catching up! Her top leaves are now much thinner. She is basically losing her indica look.

Iā€™m hoping the taller one will soon level of in its growth spurt. The outer edge of my umbrella reflector is 58" off the ground.

Looking over the Durban fems, I see my pollinating took hold. I donā€™t see any seeds growing on neighboring branches. Iā€™m calling this a successful seed generation grow. I should get plenty of seeds and still have seedless smoking weed

The male Durban is raining pollen so fast Iā€™m having a hard time keeping up. It is looking badly beaten up. Limbs hanging on awkward angles.

I have more pollen from it than I need. I plan on doing some trial storage of it. Not doing really well at it yet. I am using amber colored glass 5ml jars with gasketed lids. I have the entire bottom covered with blue silica gel beads to absorb internal moisture. Even a short time in the frig turns all the beads pink, which indicates saturation level. When I wrapped the jar in a paper towel in a small Tupperware like container filled with desiccant packets and left it in the frig overnight, I had moist clumps of pollen inside.

I am actually concerned about my seeds at this time as well, Iā€™ve changed the silica beads once a day for the last week because by the next day, they are pink as well. Iā€™ll throw some rice in with the seeds too. I am hoping the silica beads change color too easy, but not putting any money on it.

The short LR x LD autos I got from @ReikoX are doing really good.

I finally saw that the tiny male LR x LD makes full size flowers, but not until just a few days before they open up. It satisfied my curiosity, so uprooted it. :smiling_imp:

The female has started to grow after having been leveled off for so long. It is currently at 9.5", putting on 2.5" of that growth in the last 4 days when it measured 7". Iā€™ve had to lower both autos a little as they were getting too close to the light. My pollination went just fine on this plant as well. Unfortunately, I wonā€™t get much, if any, seedless smoking weed, but thatā€™s ok, replenishing seed stores comes first.

This male is looking worse for wear as well. It has been opening several dozen flowers per day for the last couple of days and is keeping me running also.

My 3 Sweet Tooth seedlings are just leaving the boring stage at only day 16.

These seedlings are maturing rapidly, so I decided yesterday it is time to put more seeds into germ. I put 30 of @Scissor-Hanz fussy Headband seeds in a beaker of distilled water for a couple of hours and 26 submerged. Taking that as a good sign, I put all 26 between paper towels at 10:25 last night (5-22). No nubbins yet, but it has only been about 24 hours.

@Scissor-Hanz told me recently that starting that many of these particular might get me a couple plants.

The next seeds to go in will be OG Kush seeds I just got from @Sebring because those seeds are old and will probably be difficult to germinate as well, so they get bumped up in germination order.

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Hi everybody. I havenā€™t updated in a couple of weeks on my seeds from @Jellypowered, @ReikoX, and @Scissor-Hanz. Iā€™ve been trying to keep my mind and my dogsā€™ minds off of missing my son. Iā€™ve been trying to not make them feel ignored. My plants need to be attended to and that takes me away from them, so I decided to spend as little time online as possible for their benefit.

I went through all my seed containers removing the used up silica gel beads. A half dozen per container isnā€™t sufficient due to high summer humidity so I filled the empty space in all the seed containers with silica gel beads then stored those containers in a ziplock bag and added a dozen 2 gram paper desiccant packets. I burped it as well as possible and am storing that in the refrigerator. I am now confident that they are stored as well as possible.

I destroyed both males I was flowering after saving up enough pollen to do several plants of each strainā€¦ I have both quantities of pollen stored in 5ml amber glass jars with a gasketed lids and about 2 dozen silica gel beads per jar. I stored those jars in a larger airtight glass jar. I then filled the remaining space in the larger jar with silica gel beads and stored it in the freezer.

I have put a food sealer on my shopping list for the future which should give further assurance to maintaining the freshness of both seeds and pollen.

The Durban girls have slowed their stretch already.

Good thing, because, as you can see, the tall one is running out of vertical space. A corner of the reflector is only about 2" away from the top of the central stalk. I think Iā€™ll try bending it 10" down from the top until it cracks and leave it connected and hanging. The worst thing that can happen is itā€™ll fall off, but, if you look back at the pics of the males in my last post, they both had bent and broken branches that continued to flower until I destroyed them, so I expect it wonā€™t fall off.

Here is a view of just them.

The tall one ended up almost fully seeded. I found only one branch that appeared to have no seeds and Iā€™m sure they are there but probably too small to see at the moment. The shorter plant looks to only have 2 additional branches that seeded. More than half of it seems to be seedless.


It is a little difficult to see (I need a better camera) but if you look at this pic in a viewer that you can adjust the visual size, you can see some VERY mature seeds in these buds.

My LR x LD auto looks a little rough, that is my fault. I let it grow too close to the light a couple of times and ended up with bleached leaves in some places

And to make matters worse, since it is in my Veg chamber, I absentmindedly gave it veg feed maybe a half dozen times in the last 2 weeks. Abused or not, her buds look pretty good, just heavy in seeds.

Her seeds are also very mature. Like her Durban cousins, I pollinated when the buds had only a few pistils each, so the seeds will be as old as the flowers themselves.

I havenā€™t done as well with Headband seeds. I gave up on the first 26 seeds I put into germ after 10 days. Three of them had popped within 3 days. Two of those the tiny nubbin wasnā€™t white and never grew any larger. I buried the one that actually grew a tap root, leaving only the shell above ground and that one failed to grow also. It never lifted its head above ground.

I put 48 more seeds into germ on 6/1.

On 6/4 three seeds had popped and grew tiny nubbins and 5 more had cracked shells. I moved all 8 of these seeds into a separate container, the smaller one on the right. (Didnā€™t photograph until today)

I am maintaining the larger container as well just in case one takes a really long time to pop, but this makes it easier to keep an eye on the seeds already active.

I didnā€™t take any pics of the ones that popped from the first 26 seeds, but the next photo has a dark root (circled) that looks just like the 2 from the first 26 that popped dark nubbins but never grew.

Iā€™m also concerned about white nubbin with the dark spot. It looks in this pic like the dark spot is on the end of the tap root. It is actually on a side, back about a millimeter from the end. I couldnā€™t get it to balance in a way to shoot it so you could see. Does this mean that seed wonā€™t grow as well? Donā€™t know yet. It does look as though I can get one plant from this batch as well, but since the one I planted from the last batch didnā€™t grow, I am being cautiously optimistic. If I get one to actually grow, Iā€™ll clone it. I am buying some STS later in the month and 2 clones would give me the opportunity generate new seeds.

Also, I still have what appears to be 50ish more seeds, so I still have that many more chances if these seeds all fail.

This did throw my schedule off a bit, so I have 3 more autos growing to catch me back up while I keep working on the Headbands. I am really going to appreciate this plant if I get one. Working this hard for it will make it taste and buzz that much better. :smiley:

This next photo is not from gifted seeds. They are from seeds I purchased from FDM Seedsā€™ (@Baudelaire) Sweet Tooth #4. I just thought Iā€™d put them in here for the fun of it.

They are 28 days from germination and should be showing me sex soon. It is interesting to note how much they look like the Durban babies at this age.

Cheers,
C50

Edit: Left out a word that made a difference in meaning of a sentence.

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Thatā€™s certainly making up for any delay. :wink: I too feel guilty in my dog/weed attention balance; when thereā€™s an emergency on both fronts is when it getā€™s REALLY stressful. I keep an invisible string on my finger to always favor the irreplacable dog. :slight_smile:
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You MUST remove all organic material from the seeds and paper towel before getting them wet. Do you use plain tap? I would switch to bottled or distilled water for the seeds. The brown spot on the root tip is probably not good. hopefully it will live. You can add a few drops of H2O2 as well. ( please check how many drops, I donā€™t remember) Other than that your plants are looking good.

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ā€¦anybody use a kitchen microwave for sterilization?.. experiences?

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@cannabissequoia, the last 2 days there have been thunderstorms on/off and my youngest dog is severely disturbed by thunder. It has been a very stressful time here lately. I love the dogs! I love my plants too, but as you pointed out, the dogs are irreplaceable.

@Viva_Mexico, that is just one of the things I should have done but forgot with the way I am feeling lately. I know to do it, Iā€™ve just have been a mess since my son moved so far away. Iā€™ve gone from seeing him everyday to just getting to talk with him on the phone every few days. Time will make it easier, but not yetā€¦

I use distilled water with seeds.

My feelings exactly. I only left the one with the darkened root in tray with the 8 seeds to photograph it. I already know it would not make it. I removed it right after taking the shots. I also removed 2 others that looked mushy looking in the cracks of the shells.

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I still have many years before I have to experience that and dread the day. Cheer up amigo!!!

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@Viva_Mexico,wWe hope they will grow up to be self confident and able to stand on their own 2 feet. Iā€™m glad he can, but I wish he was standing on his own 2 feet less than a 100 miles away. The dogs and I miss the hell out of him.

Thank you brother. It gets a microscopic bit better each day.

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Time is getting away on me lately, itā€™s been 12 days since my last post.:astonished: My dogs are just going to need to get used to me spending 1-4 hours a day in my grows and here at OG.

Here are my Durban females (@Baudelaireā€™s FDM Seeds Durban mix from @Jellypowered) :

Judging by how they look, they have a minimum 2 more weeks, probably a bit more, to go.

And closeups on top colas:

The larger cola (on #74) looked much better with flash, while the scrawny one (on the fully seeded out#75) looked better without flash.

I bent over the top of #75 a week ago. It bent very cooperatively. I have a soft twist tie holding it in a nearly 90Ā° angle and the branch is putting slight pressure on it. I need to keep an eye on the ground around it since it also got as soon as it showed primordia and the seeds are extremely mature, 45 days of mature.

Next is a photo of #80, the LR x LD auto (seeds from @ReikoX):

This plant was also pollinated as soon as she displayed primordia. Her seeds are so mature the seed pods are splitting. Thatā€™s why there is a plastic pan under her. Today I found 3 seeds in the pan.

Her pistils havenā€™t even changed yet, so she probably has about 2 weeks to go as well. She is so sticky, when I started to remove the yellowed fan leaves, I only got 7 off and I was too sticky to continue. Iā€™ll take more off later when I am gloved up. The fans leaves are very large and removing the yellowed ones should allow more light to the lower and inside buds. That is undoubtedly what #80 has in mind anyway. :wink:

I mentioned at the last update that I had started more of the LR x LDs because it was taking so long to germinate the Headbands seeds (from @Scissor-Hanz) that my schedule was thrown off. I have 3 above coco, in 8" pots. They are 21 days since germination. Iā€™m waiting for them to start growing more quickly before posting pics of them.

Iā€™m still monitoring the Headband seeds. I have one that I buried from the neck down 6 days ago it neither looks like it is growing nor dying. Got my fingers crossed! Here is what it looked like 6-16-18. It looks exactly the same right now.

I am not going to try more until I have tried the techniques people are describing in this thread:

I ran across about 500, maybe more, old seeds ranging from 11-15 years old. Iā€™ll be trying these techniques out on these seeds. Not so much to see if any of them will pop (they werenā€™t stored anywhere near properly) as to practice the techniques to get them right. Then Iā€™ll return to the Headband seeds. However, if I do get some to pop, Iā€™ve got some White Widow, White Russian, Karpov, Nevilleā€™s Haze, and one I canā€™t remember. I wrote SRL on the container and I canā€™t for the life of me figure out what it is. To make matters worse, I never saved a copy of the CBay web page for that one either. It was most likely the last seeds I bought back then. It definitely has the youngest date on it.

I also have a bunch of bag seed, with the oldest date on it, which makes sense. Once I had started buying seeds back then, I didnā€™t grow out bag seeds again until sometime around 2008/2009.

I also am going to put off trying the OG Kush seeds I got from @Sebring recently until finding a good method for popping old seeds to avoid wasting anymore than necessary. I only have 20-30 of them and the strainbases all say It is mostly, if not 100%, indica. Interestingly, I have more indica dominant strains than sativa dominant or strains that are listed as 50/50.

My next seed grow is going to be seeds from @Jellypowered again. They are @Kalgraeā€™s seeds from his pollen chucked giveaway. The ones Iā€™ll grow out next are BC Mango Night Nurse Diesel Moonshine ((BC Mango x BC Night Nurse) x Deisel Moonshine). Iā€™ll be starting 4 or 5 of them after Iā€™ve slept. Itā€™s been damn hot and humid around here lately and sleep doesnā€™t come easy. :tired_face:

Thatā€™s all for now.

Cheers!
C50

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Hello OverGrow! :smile:

The 1st plants we are looking at today are the Durbans @Jellypowered gifted me. They were originally from @Baudelaireā€™s FDM Seeds Durban mix breederā€™s pack.

I took these next 3 pics in my flowering room 10 minutes before the HPS came on.

Both #74 and #75 are getting very close to harvest. Pistils havenā€™t change yet in this photo, but today, 3 days later, 74 has some pistils turning. Probably still has 10ish days. #75ā€™s pistils still havenā€™t changed yet today.

I tried taking some photos last night with the HPS on. I was able to get enough of the light from the flash on a closeup to counteract the HPS a little. Let me know what you thinkā€¦

The cola on #74 is HUGE, the largest cola Iā€™ve ever grown. Yet, It is not a hard bud yet. I Wonder if it will get hard. My Blonde strain greatly favored sativa and it never really made hard buds, but it also didnā€™t make any buds ever that were that big! I didnā€™t shoot it, but I held a bic lighter sideways against the bud. I could see plant on each side of it. The leaves look like nutrient burn. This surprises me because if you look at the first pic, the one of the entire flowering room, every plant in there is very green except this one. Even its sister plant that has been side by side with #74 from day 1 getting the same food at the same amount (actually, the tall one got about a cup more because she was drinking heavily). Its probably one of those things that is individual to the plant, like a personality.

Speaking of her sister:

The way #75ā€™s horizontal branchā€™s buds are growing reminds me of when I was growing ScrOG. That was a very useful technique, but it doesnā€™t work very well on tall plants. Spreading out their branches puts a lot of buds out of the working area of my lamp. Funny thing, the reason I donā€™t ScrOG is because since I changed over to coco and changed the nutes I was using as well, not to mention using a root innoculant, My plants at minimum double their size now in Flowering. I can no longer put an 15-18" plant in and have it only put on 4-6 inches.

Next comes the gorgeous LowRyder x LaDiva auto from @ReikoX. She will finish just before the Durbans from the look of her, even though she was germinated a month later.


She really is a pretty little girl! I love her colors! And, she has give me 22 seeds already. Big seeds too! She just couldnā€™t hold on to them anymore.

@cannabissequoia, I didnā€™t think to mention it before, but I did freeze enough pollen to do many back crossings with the father. BTW, Iā€™m pretty certain autos canā€™t be cloned.
One more picture of LR x LD.

Here are the 3 babies I put in to bring my schedule back in line. They are just about over the boring time. Two have 3 hands the last has tiny leaves sprouting for its third hand.

Bad news on the Headband front. The one I had in a pot didnā€™t survive. I have been spending time on the old seeds thread and watching videos. The best advice Iā€™ve found comes from a video uploaded there by @Enstromentals.

I am making some sprouted seed tea and I have some gibberellic acid coming. These are both ideas from the video. I did a search on gibberellic acid and it apparently is an amazing substance and actually should be a giant help germinating really old seeds. I also have some fulvic acid arriving tomorrow. (How did Amazon get the USPS to do Sunday deliveries, anyway?)

I do have 3 (BC Mango x BC Night Nurse) x Diesel Moonshine seeds peeking out of their shells. Iā€™ll be planting them in a day or so.

Thatā€™s it for now.

Cheers
C50

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Damn- thatā€™s an essay! Nice nice nice.

The bud structure on the shorter plant(on the orange milk crate)edit #74 is so very nice, my favorite. the one to itā€™s right, edit #75 taller, thinner is a lot like my cut of DurbanPā€¦which is such a dainty girl unless environmental conditions are ideal. now that itā€™s :fire: hot they love it under 50% shadeā€¦easily grow trees & itā€™s nodes-a-plenty, a clone-makerā€™s cut obviouslyā€¦(anyone else notice that dispensary clones are cut from ā€œfactory -farmā€ mothers that are clone machines but not necessarily nice cuts? i think itā€™s a more recent years phenomenon here in CA since thereā€™s so much weed going on.

i couldnā€™t believe seeing people camp out the night before a darkheart nursery dropā€¦signing up the night before to wait in lineā€¦lined up around a building, like 200 people. by the end of the day if there was anything left it was some sad looking ones of strains nobodyā€™s heard of or donā€™t want. Big Bud Cookies. hehehe

:thinking: hmmm

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Is Number 74 is ST4? Thatā€™s one of them 2-liter colas in the making lol. Looking fantastic! So glad to see seeds iā€™ve gifted actually being grown out :smiley:

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She gets that from her momma, I suspect she will get a decent fade with a flush of purple on the sugar leaves like the top is starting to.

I did the same thing with the original male. Itā€™s been over a year now, Iā€™m guessing viability is pretty low. Maybe I should try pollinating a branch on Juanita. :thinking:

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Beautiful. Did you grow that with your photoperiod plants under 12/12?

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@cannabissequoia, I canā€™t wait to taste them! Are your Durbans low odor? Mine have a very faint aroma that smells a bit like pine or Pinesol. Could make a great stealth kind of grow, hardly anything to give it away. :thumbsup:

@Jellypowered: Nah, they are the Durbans. Awesome, right? The same thought hit me. These are my ST4s. This pic was taken 6-16, They went into my Flowering room Fri, 6-22. Man, I hope they will have huge buds like this. They are reputed to.
EDIT 2 forgot the pic.:confounded:

I you do, Iā€™d be very interested to here how it turns out. Itā€™ll give me a sneak peek of my near future.

You said recently you were going to try an auto in 12/12 lighting. Did I miss your post about it? If not, Iā€™d love to see how much of a difference it makes. Iā€™m not planning on pollinating the 3 LR/LD I have coming up. Iā€™m saving that for the offspring from #80. I want to see how big the buds get on a seedless grow. These plants are definitely muffin tops!

Iā€™ve had her in my Veg area at 21/3 lighting. I will try one in 12/12 after I see ones come seedless in 21/3 so I can see if there is a difference.

Iā€™m hoping to bring my Nevilleā€™s Haze back to life. When I got them I was told to start them in 12/12 and they will flower when they are ready, because they normally grow at the very near the equator. Makes me wonder if it is an auto as well. Iā€™m wondering if they could grow in 21/3. If I restore the strain, Iā€™ll do a seed run right off and I may try growing out one like that. It was my sonā€™s favorite strain, but it takes about 95 days to get ready and they got pretty large the last time. Iā€™ve been telling my kid I canā€™t afford the Flowering room space for that long.

Before I go, I have an update about the (BC Mango x BC Night Nurse) x Diesel Moonshine seeds that I got from @Jellypowered. Those seeds originally came from @Kalgraeā€™s pollen chuck giveaway. I buried the 3 that popped, they had a tap root about 15-18mm long. There is nothing to see yet, except just the tip of their helmets just peeking up through the coco like the eyes of an alligator in a river. The 4th seed didnā€™t pop yet, even though I cracked it manually. But I still have it in a paper towel dampened with a fulvic acid solution (35ml of 8% fulvic to 1 gallon of pH set RO water with 4ml HydroGuard root inoculant). I hopeful that it will sprout as well since fulvic acid is touted as a miracle product for plants.

Tha, thathatha, thatā€™s all folks, :smiley:

Edit: PS, if anyone is interested, Iā€™m trying to restore 6 strains that I thought were gone for good. Iā€™ve posted about it here in the ā€œGerminating old seedsā€ thread. One strains seeds are only 6 years old, the remaining 5 strains are 11-13 years.

This is a first for me, the Headbands were the first time I ever attempted to grow out old seeds. Iā€™m on a mission now. The Headbands sound delicious, and Iā€™d really love to bring back my Karpov and my Karpov x Blue Widow.

I have been thinking my previous accidental crossing was between a White Widow male and a Blue Widow female. I even referred to it as a Baby Blue Widow (BBW or Fat Chick) but it was actually crossed between a Blue Widow male and a Karpov female (Karpov: Blue Hen x Blueberry). If anything, I should have called Dark Blue Widow or more appropriately Dark Blue Karpov, with all that blueberry in its heritage.

Cheers all,
C50

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The last autos I did were 12/12 for six weeks, 18/6 for two more and finally 20/4 for another week or so. Came out maybe a little smaller than normal.

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@ReikoX: Sounds like just what you expected. I think Iā€™ll continue to grow them in the Veg area. I use 21/3 light cycle there.

I have some bad news. My (BC Mango x BC Night Nurse) x Diesel Moonshine (the green phenotype) seeds dampened off. I donā€™t recall that ever happening to me before and I get my introduction by losing all 3 of one strain. Good thing I have more. I played with fixing what wasnā€™t broken while germinating them. I shouldā€™ve known better. ā€œDonā€™t fix what isnā€™t brokenā€ was my mantra when I was working. Back the normal method with the next 5 seeds. Plenty of litfa (I love that word).

Also, my next 3 autos are 29 days old today. Number 89 yanked open his raincoat and flashed me yesterday (6/25). I wasnā€™t sure if I wanted pollen from it, but not this time. I am working getting a separate flower grow for males, or hot, steamy, plant sex but I am doing a Sweet Tooth #4 reversal and that hermaphrodite will be 12/12. I just uprooted it. No primordia from 90 or 91 yet. They canā€™t be far behindā€¦

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reach out if damping off happens again.

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@Kalgrae, thank you much, Iā€™ll do that. Thatā€™s is quite nice of you.

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I have a few more photos of my grows. First up @Baudelaireā€™s FDM seeds Durbans I received from @Jellypowered.

The Durbans are so big and full of flower. And unmistakably sativa, each bud being tall and slender. And sticky, mmm mmm. I took a bud from each plant. Just a bud. Iā€™m getting tired of waiting to try it. I pulled off 10-15 leaves from each bud before putting in in my drying cabinet and my fingers were so sticky that I washed it off in Everclear. Thatā€™s the great thing about extract. I throw my concentrate coils in it to clean the coil and save ALL the sticky goodness that was contained therein. If there is a remnant, I can recover it the next time I run the still. :smiley:

I really wish I hadnā€™t pollinated the top cola on #75. It wasnā€™t deliberate, but it happened. The #74s cola is seed free and look at the size of it. But, as long as I am above ground, thereā€™s time to make another seedless tall pheno, assuming there is one in the 15 or so seeds I have left.

In the not so distant future, Iā€™ll take seeds from each mother and pollinate them with the daddyā€™s stuff. That, I believe, if I understand the breeding thing right, would make the seeds coming from this plants F1s. I want to set the structure on these to what the original mom was, and again only if I understand it correctly, an F1 is going to show more consistency than an F2.

And there is the breeding stuff loses me. If an F1 provides the most consistency to what its mother is, why would anyone want to make an F2, F3, etc.?


It is interesting to note that numbers 74 & 75 smell different. I was leaning around the #75 to water what will be my last Purple for a sometime to come, and I realized #75 smells more like onion, while #74 smells more like a cross between pine and Pinesol. I hadnā€™t noticed it earlier due it normally being closer to the wall where I am not reaching around it, but today I had moved it while looking for fallen seeds and hadnā€™t put it back yet.

Like her sister the bushy girl, her aroma is not as loud as any of the other plants I have flowering at the moment. It is a small nose, like its volume is turned way down to 1 or 2. Quiet though they may be each girls perfume is not to be confused with someone elseā€™s when you put your nose right up to her flower.

I love this next plant, the LowRyder x LaDiva! This was from @ReikoX. She has beautiful colors. Even as the chlorophyll is fading and her leaves yellowing, those same leaves are turning an awesome purple in places. The pistils have all turned to what my colorblind eyes see as a rusty color and look like threads adorning each bud. And each bud is (currently) sprinkled generously in milky white trichomes. I think this is quite possibly the most colorful plant Iā€™ve ever grown. Here is a downward view of each of her side buds and her main cola.

I has a mild, yet intricate, bouquet. It seems to a sweet, citrus component that is very pleasant to the nose. The other component(s) is more background. It is more rugged, woodsy maybe. It isnā€™t as inviting. Like an olfactory Jekyll & Hyde.

And then, of course, it can be run in the previously surplus space in my Veg grow. I love it! So much so that I already have a couple of babies coming up. I uprooted the male.

Number 91 is definitely female, she has full size pistils growing on the node just below the top.

90 on the other hand, is androgynous yet. A few hours ago, I thought I saw beginning pistils on the node just below the top using my 5x visor, but when I switched to a 10x eye loupe I couldnā€™t find them. I was probably wistful thinking.

I am anxious to see what a seedless one looks like at this point.

I have 5 more of @Kalgraeā€™s (BC Mango x BC Night Nurse) x Diesel Moonshine (the green phenotype) seed I got from @Jellypowered in germinating. Two had 1 mm long tap roots a couple of hours ago and two more looked like they were starting. I stopped trying to fix what wasnā€™t broken and went back to the way that always works for me, paper towels and a heating pad, with the exception soaking them 16 hours in a fulvic acid solution of 35ml/gallon of water.I left them in until the first one actually popped. Iā€™m certain these will go better. Iā€™m sure I was doing too many trial things with the last group. Now the trials are exclusively being done on the oldest beans Iā€™ve got and only 1 strain at a time.

I gave my Sweet Tooth plant its 1st STS treatment on the 27th. Following the instructions supplied with it, the next treatment will be the 2nd. It was kind of a pain. I chose the shortest plant because it had the sturdiest branches. It was inches shorter when they were small plants. Theyā€™ve all put on quite a few inches since entering Flowering a week ago. Not only in height and leaf span, but their trunk and branches have put on some new wood. This strain is supposed to make gigantic buds, so I guess it is going to need all the extra wood to support them.

I didnā€™t want to bring up the Sweet Toothes too much because I bought them (from @Baudelaire of FDM Seeds), they werenā€™t gifted to me, but what the hell, they are growing in my Flowering room, they are freaking sturdy looking plants. Maybe someone that bought some, but hasnā€™t gotten to growing any out yet might be interested. Also, I thought someone might be interested my STS reversal. It is a straight up first for me. I am using purchased STS so if it doesnā€™t turn out, at least I know the STS is mixed properly. Cuts a variable clean out of the process Iā€™ve been doing a lot of firsts this year. Iā€™ll start including the ST4s in photos more often. I donā€™t actually have any photos of them since they went to Flowering because I have to move at least 2 plants out of the room for a while so I can get to them. Wait until you see the leaves. Are these cannabis or palms?

Hopefully, next time Iā€™ll pictures of some baby (BC Mango x BC Night Nurse) x Diesel Moonshine reaching for the sun.

Have a great day, one and all.

Edit 1: I had uploaded the same photo 2x. I deleted one of them

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