I am smoke testing it now all these days. it is very strong and long lasting, you will be pleased. some flying mind stuff… this one is cut of my favorite juicy pheno, it is mix of cherries, burgundy, bubblegum and all wrapped into some haze musk, some soft metallic tones too… this particular pheno is super strong smoke! I think it is thai pheno…
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Excellent work Mahakala. Clearly defined goals and well thought out strategy. Very enjoyable to watch.
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Welcome dude 
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Welcome to OG @TomHill , you wouldn’t happen to be the Pine Tar Kush, Deep Chunk Tom Hill would you? Either way, a warm welcome 
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Probably is… Maha and Tom know of eachother.
Can’t forget the Tom Hill Haze that Maha sorted through to find his Mr Shine male…
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Yes, it’s me. Thanks guys. When Maha starts talking about green Thai phenotypes my Haze radar alarm goes on because we speak same kind of Haze language 
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I was just gifted some Deep Chunk seeds the other day! I will try them, but I am more of a sativa lover. The Tropical Boogie from Maha that I grew this past spring has 50/50 Tom’s Haze and Federation Hawaiian sativa and is some of the best I have grown both in effect and aromas. Just outstanding. 
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For sure he is using some excellent strategy in considering parental outcross. I especially like the looks of that one posted on Jul 26. Kind of a golden Thai looking phenotype.
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Amazing, always a joy seeing a breeder hanging around in the OG community.
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thanks for compliments Tom, means a lot. I have huge RESPECT for your work. those properly preserved hashplants like DC, X18 or PTK… just amazing work, and so valuable for future generations… but your haze is standout… simply very special… I always wonder what you did with it LOL. if you manipulated genetics somehow otherwise than just selection of parents?
I grew few sativas, like malawi gold, ethiopian HL, old timer haze and all those dutch haze hybrids… but nothing was like this green thai haze. I like also rainbow phenos of Toms haze, for its euphoric properties, but they are less psychoactive compared to green ones. I have to explore zamal yet…
male, Mr. Shine I used, is dark green pheno. and his hybrids are right ones, if you like strong and crazy long lasting haze high.
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Thanks Maha, and big respect to you also for helping to preserve this very special line. It’s not easy I know, but in the end I think it’s worth it too. When you find a good one, I feel nothing can compare to it.
Many people think I must have cross it out to something, but that is not true. If you read very early descriptions from positronic and even cultivators choice, I think you will see that the description is still very true to type. Everybody else haze maybe changed over the years, but I feel I did a good job preserving the one I have and it still very close to how it was when I first grew it.
The one thing I observed very early on working with the line is this: my favorite plants in the end will most times also have resinous stalks in juvenile stages. So I modified all selection method and open pollination around that single parameter very early on. I always plant 2x or 3x more plants than I can finish, then i cull them down to the most resinous stalks for growing out. This single move really helps to improve that 5% high quality rule.
I really like your parental choices for outcrossing. Me I am basically ready to accept my failure and just surrender. I have made some very nice hybrids with it, but there is always something missing in the end. Usually the first things to go is duration and clarity of high. None of the hybrids I have ever made are in the same class as the straight haze.
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thanks for sharing your ideas Tom. yeah! a lot of plants with resinous stalks hehehe. like you said your line is resin queen.
I would rather let preservation on you, that would be the best…
well I am still testing these hybrids, so I haven’t made deeper selection of single cross yet. but I found one individual very close to real haze, and very strong with scary character. it was one female out of 8 or 9 females, cant remember it now. look at that thaish structure:
I keep her! it was cross with bshw, so it was not meant to be like this… but I found it there hehehe her advantage is that she needs only 90 days. but I keep it for short time now, so only time will tell if it is really like that… I keep toms haze keepers for like 7 years now, and few of them I lost… but that the best one, I still keep. thinking about reversing her…
I think that these hybrids are about compromise, but its advantage is that practically every pheno is strong and tasty. while at your haze line there are many average phenos, one has to make really big selection. also these hybrids are much easier to grow indoors and yield is better. and another advantage is that I just sow few seeds, and I get strong weed from them, no mediocre plants as far as effect goes and I don’t have to select keeper, I grow cuts, but I also like to grow seeds… of course, in the moment when it ceases to be first generation, then all these advantages would disappear… there something magic on first generation cross.
I would rather compare them with dutch haze like amnesia or silver haze, nevilles haze, it seems to me that toms haze outcrosses win in this competition. of course somebody else can have different opinion and thats okay. I just think that toms haze is better than haze used in dutch hazes… so logically, when outcross is done well, it is better. I like trippy roller coaster high with hot flushes and coming in waves… ringing in ears and all those symptoms, I love it. and dutch haze mostly gives me space out kind of stony effect, which is nice buzz, but not so exciting like outcrosses of your haze line.
yes mainly shorter flowering phenos are less cerebral that real haze, but that’s the price you have to pay for hybridizing with relatively commercial genetics, like trainwreck, bshw, or hawaiians…
if I want the same level of cerebral effect, I would have to choose much more wild genetics to outcross. and don’t doubt that I plan it hehehe. zamal and thai genetics are in the play. let see what future will bring…
I made such cross with black vietnamese, which is also genetics preserved from 70s, and almost pure sativa, very luminous psychoactive high, like mild mushroom tea… and better occur of killer phenos really happened, but again I need more time to compare it with my toms haze keeper… I think it will have some minuses, but only time will reveal it.
anyway it is sure, that you preserved thai genetics from 70s, when speaking about those green phenos of it…
I talked with many growers about it. and aussie growers say that mango smelling plants of your lines, are almost identical to their legendary line they call Mango Heads… and which were of thai origin… you are not only one, who states your line is thai dominant…
what do you think of mixing another thai line in??? would you assume it as the lost or could you imagine some improvement, unlocking some genes inside toms haze genepool? of course I dont talk about 1:1 outcross.
keep it up.
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Hey @TexasTea
your juicy looks nice, I think you will get nice colas bro.
cant wait to hear your opinion on her.
haze on.
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all these guys who tested my outcrosses of mr. shine, they found ultimate keepers in 2 or 3 females, not joking, it is the truth. and that’s the main goal… most growers cant grow 100 plants at once hahahahaha. they just sow few seeds.
one guy from Arizona, spread his cut of mindblower(hawaiian pakithai x toms haze) and it is favorite immediately, and they say its comparable to glue or chem91 in all commercial aspects, pronounced taste, yield, bag appeal etc. with one little difference, it has zero body and the effect is rocket one as they describe it…
when you grow super silver haze, you get a lot of nlsk dom phenos with hint of haze, simply a lot of ghani in 77 day or 90 days phenotypes, if you want it really haze, you have to go with long flowering phenos.
in bshw x haze, I found only one pheno, where more % of ghani was present and of course it affected effect… strong, but not so cerebral. but all others phenos had almost pure sativa effect. trance like effect with some trippiness here and there. it gives logic as bshw is more sativa than NLskunk.
bshw x haze is less electric than toms haze. but for example my grandfunk(trainwreck/thai x toms haze) is very electric, like toms haze. on the other hand there is quicker tolerance build up compared to toms haze. like I said, hybrids are about compromise. to have commercial plant and high like exceptional individual of toms haze, then I am the best breeder in the world, which I am not hahaha. but maybe… one day… I get lucky. I dont give up, never.
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I don’t have the deep experience to really give a fair assessment to all of the nuances that you guys talk about. All I know is that these hybrids with Tom’s Haze are super nice smoke. Aromas are complex, effects are superb, plants yielded very well and I can’t wait to see how this Juicy Woo turns out. 
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Not sure how I’d been missing this thread ? All caught up and pulling up a chair in the corner.
Great selections and info to boot enjoying your adventure so far.
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Heh I spread my cut of Mindblower around immediately as well. I fully confess I am only a moderately experienced grower at best, but I gave the cut to a friend who runs 250+ plants a year through his rooms who had only grown named cuts like Gelato, Wedding Cake, Chem cuts ect. He didn’t like sativas but I convinced him to run a few. He says hands down it stinks as much as any of them and is his new favorite cut. I only had 2 females.
This one has resinous stalks. Im in the process of getting it tested for terps/cannaboids and will post here when I get the results.
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thanks for sharing your experiences TT and TW.
I grew juicies this year, 9 females, most were 12 weekers, one 13 weeker, and one 15 weeker. I keep 15 weeker. I tortured them in only 5 liter pot, in high heat… such heat that it burns the leafs, and pots dried out very quickly… still I ended up with good yield, strong tasty smoke, some of them got me so high… if I would grow toms haze in such condition, I get very bad smoke. that is advantage of first generation hybrid, top vigor. but still heat took down the terps, when I grow my juicy cut now at lower temps, it smells much better… grandfunk took the heat even better.
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