My next grow I will have more room to grow more and scrap plants if I want to. I was overly invested. Before I really dove into the community my seed stock was very low. Now I have way more then enough. Thanks Overgrow! I probably have enough for a few years at this point. I will be able to give back after the Hopscotch is done.
I did find out that some seeds that I had for a few years that are very goo. I’m kicking myself for not growing them sooner.
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High pH will “lock out” nutrients. I’m thinking that isn’t a problem since the objective of flushing is to rob the plant of nutes.
On another forum I’ve seen where it’s intentionally done in an effort to bring on color earlier.
But this is all conjecture and reading others thoughts on the subject.
I know… politicians answer. No answer.
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Yeah @MoBilly I had a Thunderfuck lockout bad once dragon clawed leaves, I flushed and flushed then a week later she came right out of it.
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I am what you would call frugal out of necessity. The first time I flushed I adjusted the pH. I use pH Down instead of vinegar so there’s a little more expense.
I don’t anymore. My well pumps out at around 7.8. That is what I use for a final flush.
Now, if I had to flush midway in a grow I would probably adjust the pH.
Just my thinking.
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I always ph my flush water at the end of my grows and now that I’m getting a little wiser about what dose what I’m really leaning towards it’s not needed. The plant is going to take up the water regardless right? My tap is at 8
But you right @MoBilly if I’m flushing (God forbid🙄) I would ph the water. Do you normally use vinegar as ph down. I’ve came close once. Someone I was sharing a bottle with split what we had. I here it will do the trick but not for long.
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Is it the soil that locks out? Can it happen in hydro I guess is what I’m asking. People have thrown around the term on my threads before but I’m like “my PH is fine” 
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From what I understand nutrient “lockout” is what I used to call “reverse osmosis” where the ions in the solution are so strong it draws the nutrients back out of the plant. Eventually the ph crashes and the plant dies while the EC skyrockets.
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I thought nutrient lockout is when the medium got to a ph range where the plant can’t take in certain nutrients due to certain nutrients only being available at certain ph ranges.
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I use pH Down. Vinegar will bring down pH, however, I’ve heard that it is not as stable as the product pH Down. Yep. I’ll still get water but that’s all that’ll do anything for it.
Personally I think a high pH flush would almost certainly rob the girl of her food.
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pH lockout, from what I understand, happens on a microscopic level.
The plant doesn’t get what it needs so it shuts down the channels that allow nutes to move upstream.
It just shuts off the valve that allows them to be moved to where needed, absorbed and used.
I don’t think it’s the soil as much as the plant mechanism. Well, both actually. Soil causes the plant to react and shut down.
I’m no authority, and that’s a fact.
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See I’m glad I brought the lockout thing up because I’m always hearing ph, ph, ph, associated with the term. I totally understand where your coming from @Chronickyle.
Thanks @JoeCrowe and @MoBilly. I’m definitely going to have to do a lil reading up on the topic.
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Hey everyone. I’m being to get a tad concerned.
One side of my plant is looking like this.
I want too be more like this
I got about another month left. I’m thinking a change out and adding a little bit of Grow with the Bloom in the mix. What do you think? A nitrogen issue?
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I have been topping of with just water. My water is 200 ppm out the tap. I know I should not need that much Cal-Mag but LEDs are supposed to deplete that pretty fast. So I’m doing a complete change out of the water.
I know for the PPMs I’ve been using the 500 scale but I’m switching up to 700 scale. Sorry.
Why? My old pen was on the 700 scale. How do I know? I’m not 100% sure. I’m going off of the readings from the tap. My tap was never below 200 and that’s where 500 takes me. So it had to be 700. I’m still going to check EC so I can get used to it.
Here’s what’s going in the bucket. It’s about 3 gallons maybe a little more:
10 ml of Cal-Mag
15 ml of H.M. Bud Candy
About 3 tbl spoons of Maxi Bloom.
That brings us too:
1150 PPM ⁷⁰⁰
1.7 EC
5.7 PH
Sounds right for the stage I’m at. I would like to see my levels drop instead of rise. Let’s see what she dose.
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What a Beasty
A little brown for my liking. But better then my old grows. Can’t wait to see how a whole grow on the Maxi will do. Should be all white then. I Hope.
No bad smells from the roots. If anything smells like soil.
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The roots when they age always get tan. I would do a complete bucket change on that yellowish plant for sure.
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I’m almost certain it will help. There was stuff other then root particals floating around in the bucket.
Looked like film from stuff building up on the sides of the bucket. I did leave the lid cracked open a couple time. It’s been a while since I did a change out. Over a month. She’s not under a net so there’s no excuse for me not doing anything. Even when there is a net, with a pump a change out is easy. She not looking bad but I know there is room for improvement. I shouldn’t have to do another change out until flush.
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Is the yellowing all through the plant? Top to bottom? Looks like it is.
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No sir all 4 recent pics are from today are the Hopscotch. I first noticed that some of the tops were little yellow. Kinda like they was not getting enough light. I promise that’s not the case. Then today as I look I can tell it was working it way down the side of the plant. Nothing to bad. But noticeable. Maybe this will help.
The lighter side:
Which is the left side.
Here is a full shot.
I’m shooting for she just wanted something fresh to eat.
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Had that side been against the wall? Have you turned it recently?
Just kicking ideas around.
Nope been where it’s at the whole grow. I know because the branch I pollinated is in the front. I’ve had similar stuff happen in the past. One part of the plant don’t look so hot. Most of the time they bounce back. In a few days she will have the whole tent. A little light training will happen. I’m hoping it’s just a little fluke that the change out will fix.
Also considering how big that root ball is there was only a gallon and a half in the bucket. I’m surprised she wasn’t pissed off sooner.
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